Army demolishes weapons tunnels; eight Palestinians killed

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1065773795572

IDF troops exposed a third weapons-smuggling tunnel in Rafah on the Israel-Egypt border during their overnight operation Friday. More than 30 tunnels used by Palestinians to smuggle in weapons and drugs from Egypt into Palestinian areas have been uncovered since the beginning of the year. The IDF thinks that Palestinian terrorists are trying to smuggle shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles into the Gaza Strip to use against IAF attack helicopters and warplanes.

The army also fears the missiles could be used against civilian aircraft.

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So far this year, the military said it has destroyed 33 smuggling tunnels in the area. The tunnels have been used to bring in munitions and rifles, as well as drugs.

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33 tunnels......and counting.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. 2 of the civilians murdered were children, 8 and 12

Israel is furious to learn that the Palestinians wanted anti-aircraft guns which they would no doubt have used to try to impede morally pure US bought aircraft firing missiles into residential areas with the ostensible objective of murdering someone suspected of harboring anti-Israel sentiment.

[bemildred]

3. Shoulder launched anti-air and anti-tank weapons

really would put a crimp in their style. The Israelis
must have really good security as it is to have prevented
a few from showing up.

Military grade explosives would upset things considerably, too.

I have been wondering if we would see some of the loose military
equipment sloshing around in Iraq start to migrate over in the
direction of Gaza.

An islamic site, forget which, referred to the tunnels in the terms
"had been used for smuggling" which raises the question of how long
they are in use and whether any are missed and what sort of stuff
IS coming through?

[drdon326]

4. Tunnels are useful to them.....

since the Korine-A got dry-docked.

[bemildred]

36. That wasn't the question being asked.

Their utility seems obvious, Korine-A or not.

[Scurrilous]

6. According to the IDF...

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/0211-3.stm

"...In the period after the 1993 Oslo Accords, the Palestinians constructed a complex network of tunnels underneath the Egypt-Israel border in the Rafah area of the Gaza Strip. The tunnels are used to smuggle weapons, cigarettes, drugs, and people (primarily prostitutes) from Egypt into Gaza. Consequently, the city of Rafah has become a focal point for smuggling illicit contraband throughout the Palestinian Authority."

Looks like those tunnels have been there awhile.

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. They are also used to smuggle contraband like food, water and medicine

There are high hopes in Tel Aviv that the prison enclosure will put a stop to this activity.

[Fight_n_back]

26. Arafat should be the one who is pissed

These weapons would be another in a long line of Palestinian breeches of the Oslo accords that the Peace Prize winner worked so hard on.

So Fatwa, are you for peace or war?

do you think Palestinain fighting will bring about peace? Isn't that the logic Sharon is using?

[Scurrilous]

2. 3 'terror' tunnels uncovered....

...8 Palestinians killed (including an 8 year old boy), 55 Palestinians wounded, and the Israeli's found how many shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missles? 100? 10? 1? I read the article and it mentioned nothing about how many missles the IDF actually found. Just rumors of their existence.

[drdon326]

5. Oh, thats right.....

the korine-a was also a rumor.

btw....it didnt say it was a storage site....tunnels
are conduits to delivering weapons.

[SOS]

22. The NYT reports today

that no weapons were found. None.

[drdon326]

7. BTW.....

"The tunnels were discovered in private homes near the Egyptian border, Israel Radio reported."

WITHOUT starting a "Rachel Corrie" war, the IDF was reported
to be going after a similar tunnel of a dentist in a
PRIVATE HOME. So , the use of private homes to hide tunnels
are not without precedence.

[Scurrilous]

8. The Palestinians do use private homes ...

..to hide tunnels. Having said that, where is the proof that:

a) the home Rachel Corrie died protecting contained such a tunnel.

b) if the home did contain a smuggling tunnel, that Rachel Corrie was aware of it's existence and her purpose that day was to block the IDF from demolishing said tunnel.

[bluesoul]

9. This BS doesn't end

What, now building tunnels is terrorism? And it's an excuse to kill numerous innocent people because of that. Oh my..:eyes:

[Fight_n_back]

31. numerous innocent people

who were the innocent people involved in this shootout?

Which ones specifically do you know to be innocent?

I know that all of the people in Maxims' restaraunt were innocent. which of these people were innocent? And where do you get your inside information?

[bluesoul]

32. Hmmm

I am talking about the children, women and other civilians killed, that's who. I hope you did not misunderstand me ;-)

[Fight_n_back]

33. The article makes no mention

of shildren, women and other civilians. It says one of the deceased was an eight year old boy.

So where are you getting this other information? Please share it with us.

[drdon326]

10. You have made a mistake.

The palestinian TERRORISTS use private home to hide
tunnels.

I have not read whether they found a tunnel at the dentists
home......obviously, as you have pointed out, this is certainly
NOT out of the realm of possibilities.

could you re-phrase b)....i didnt understand.

[Scurrilous]

12. I'll try to make it clearer...

There are many who maintain that Rachel Corrie died 'protecting' smuggling tunnels. Therefore they claim her death was in some way justified because she was aiding terrorists.

I was asking in a) if there is any proof that the owner of the home Rachel Corrie died protecting was connected to smuggling tunnels, and b) if the house Rachel Corrie died protecting did in fact contain a tunnel, was she aware of it and was she purposefully blocking the bulldozer to save the tunnel from destruction.

I'm not contesting the fact that there are smuggling tunnels in Rafah. Neither am I denying these tunnels are contained in private homes. Everything I've read about the Rachel Corrie issue points out that the IDF was bulldozing homes in Rafah that day to clear a buffer zone next to the security fence Israel is building along the border. They were not there to destroy smuggling tunnels. So the fact that smuggling tunnels exist in Rafah in no way vindicates those who claim Rachel Corrie died protecting these 'terror' tunnels.

[drdon326]

13. No one "justifies" and vindicates".

"a) if there is any proof that the owner of the home Rachel Corrie died protecting was connected to smuggling tunnels, and

ANS: did the dentist know of the tunnel??

i would imagine if there was a tunnel in my house i would
hopefully know about it.



b) if the house Rachel Corrie died protecting did in fact contain a tunnel, was she aware of it and was she purposefully blocking the bulldozer to save the tunnel from destruction.

ANS:

the proof: THE HOUSE WAS NOT RAIZED!! So the IDF version holds up.
The IDF wasnt there to raize the house......so it is certainly
possible she knew of the tunnel.

whew!!

[Scurrilous]

15. Geez...

I'll try to make it real simple.

Where is the proof that there was a smuggling tunnel inside the home Rachel Corrie died protecting. Got pictures? Diagrams? Schematics? Anything? Was the doctor a smuggler? Any proof of this? A picture of him standing next to the tunnel in his home? A drawing of him standing next to a tunnel in his home? A picture of the doctor crawling through the tunnel w/ a Stinger on his back. I'll take just about anything (except the word of the IDF). I'm sure the doctor, being an educated man, would be aware of any tunnel inside his home. I've yet to see proof of such tunnel.

Lastly, if the doctor was a smuggler where is the proof Rachel Corrie was aware of this. Any photos etc. of her and the good doctor standing next to his tunnel? Any photos of Rachel crawling through such a tunnel lugging Stingers on her back? Letters from Rachel to her parents perhaps, detailing her adventures in smuggling. Once again, I'll take just about any concrete evidence.

If you're going to start talking about smuggling tunnels, then segue into mentioning Rachel Corrie, it seems to me you are implying guilt by association.


BTW..I don't want to get into a Rachel Corrie war...I'm missing the FSU-Miami game.

[drdon326]

18. "What we have here, is failure to communicate"

from COOL HAND LUKE

"Where is the proof that there was a smuggling tunnel inside the home Rachel Corrie died protecting."

I dont have that information....I suspect the IDF had good reason to believe this especially given they have apparently found 33 tunnels
according to the above.


"Was the doctor a smuggler? Any proof of this?"

To my knowledge thats never been reported.....but i agree if there
is/was a tunnel im sure he knew it.

"Lastly, if the doctor was a smuggler where is the proof Rachel Corrie was aware of this. Any photos etc. of her and the good doctor standing next to his tunnel? Any photos of Rachel crawling through such a tunnel lugging Stingers on her back? Letters from Rachel to her parents perhaps, detailing her adventures in smuggling. Once again, I'll take just about any concrete evidence."

Neither you or I will ever know what RC knew or didnt know of the tunnel.You cannot say she absolutely didnt know. However, given the fact that the house was not raized , what did she put her body in-between?? Could she have known the tunnels existance and that what she
was protecting?? Very possible.


btw.... mia 12....fsu o with 3:25 in the 2nd.

go caines.

[Equinox]

34. OMG...

I'm a 'caines fan too.

Well, I knew there was a sliver of a chance.

;-)

[drdon326]

35. Hold on.....

i'm slitting my wrists.:)

[laura888]

14. Evidence that Palestinians are using military-...

...-like tactics to achieve their aims does not make them more guilty.

let's talk about the intricasies of Israeli weapons and methods, please.

The details please of what type of bulldozer ran over Palestinians. How much did it cost? What was the name of the driver? The names of other soldiers involved? From what sources did they receive their intelligence?

Israeli violence is somehow exempt from this type of scrutiny because it is "military."

If we are to know the name "Rachel Corrie" we should also know the names of the Israeli soldiers.

[drdon326]

16. No.

Evidence that Palestinians TERRORISTS are using military-like tactics to KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE RIDING IN A BUS OR EATING AT A REATAURANT
DOES make them more guilty.

[bluesoul]

17. OH?

Oh really? I wouldn't say so...

[drdon326]

20. Oh.....this is interesting.

so you belive that killing innocent israels is perfectly
acceptable as a tactic ??

I cant wait to hear your answer.

[laura888]

19. sorry - no... there are many innocent palestinians killed as well...

...because the entire area (read: the ENTIRE AREA) is a war zone. Innocent Israelis and Palestinians are being killed in this war zone. They should not be treated differently from each other.

[drdon326]

21. Unfortunately, you are correct.

Its sad when children lose their life.

But imho, had the pa gotten rid of hamas, et al AND if these
same thugs didnt use children as 'pawns of war' i suspect
we wouldnt be discussing this.

[laura888]

23. please provide evidence that kids were made "pawns"

n/t

[drdon326]

24. OH c'mon.....

kids used as suicide bombers.
"Camps" where they learn to use weapons (ive posted those
pictures)
Books where they are taught that jews are descendants of "pigs and
monkeys".

i'm not going to spend an hour looking those up for you.
Youll have to do that yourself.

[bluesoul]

25. Really?

And so killing Palestinian children is legitimate and understandable? And what you said goes for every Palestinian kid killed by the IDF as they'r all terrorists anyway? I have to pinch myself to realise that i'm reading such excuses here on DU. Because I was sure this could only happen at FR and the likes...

[drdon326]

27. Not even a "nice try".

"And so killing Palestinian children is legitimate and understandable? And what you said goes for every Palestinian kid killed by the IDF as they'r all terrorists anyway?"



i never said anything of the kind.....and i really resent
you saying i said that.

Congratulations...thats the lowest post in DU history.

on edit: i posted bluesouls disgusting post in case its removed.

[bluesoul]

28. Oh please

You defend and find excuses for every Israeli actions whenever Palestinian civilians are killed. So I really don't think I exaggerate not even a bit. Don't tell me about lowest posts. Your defence of people like Sharon and their policy speaks in volumes. That's the low part in the whole thing..

[laura888]

29. not letting you off the hook

...do you have a legitimate source that backs up your point?

[drdon326]

30. These have been posted ....repeatedly.

look it up.