Arab refusal to accept Israel root of conflict with Palestinians: Sharon

[Herschel]

- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told a gathering of Christians that the Arab world's refusal to accept the rights of Jews was at the root of the present conflict with the Palestinians.

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"For the past three years, we have been facing a war imposed on us by the Palestinians but it's a struggle that started over 100 years ago," he told 3,000 Christian supporters of Israel, referring to the ongoing Palestinian intifada.

"Its root cause is a refusal of the Arab world to accept and reconcile (with) the Jewish people," he added.

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But Sharon insisted Israel was committed to a "real, durable peace that will last for generations" and that it was willing to make painful compromises to achieve it.

He added however that he would not "make any concessions when it comes to the security of Israel and its citizens."

"Israel will not surrender, will never surrender, to pressure or violence and terror," he added.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031012/wl_mideast_afp/mideast_israel_sharon_031012195631

He speaks the truth.

[Maple]

1. Bullroar

Standard fluff phrases.

[Darranar]

2. He lies...

it's roots lie in the refusal of some on both sides to accept the fact that they, too, have made mistakes and that the other side is suffering, too.

[Herschel]

3. Surely you know

of the widespread desire for little Israel's destruction in much of the Arab world.

[Darranar]

6. Surely you know...

of the desire for no "terror state" in the West Bank and Gaza, therefore completely eliminating the Palestinian right to control over their own fate?

Surely you know of the desire to build more settlements and further ethnic cleanse the Palestinians?

Surely you know of how Israel's brutal policies in the West Bank and Gaza worsen the situation of innocent Palestinians?

[Herschel]

8. Palestinians will earn more control

of their fate when they defeat terror. The settlements are reality. Israel's policies are in response to terror. Innocent Palestinians are sacrificed by terrorists.

[Darranar]

11. Of course the settlements are a reality...

that doesn't make them moral.

I don't see how keeping the settlements where they are is a legitimate response to terror.

Innocent Palestinians are generally killed by israel.

If you don't care about the Palestinians until they defeat terrorism, why should I care about the Israelis until they stop the settlements?

[Herschel]

17. Why do you assume

I have no concern for those people?

[Darranar]

19. Because...

When I mention the settlements: They must stop terror.

When I mention the occupation: They must stop terror.

When I mention Sharon's brutal policies: They must stop terror.

There is no excuse for the settlements and there is no excuse for the wrecking of Palestinain land to make room for them. There is no excuse for bulldozing the houses of innocent Palestinians. There is no excuse for the deliberate and targeted killings of innocent Palestinians (which do occur and are rarely investigated.)

Yet whenever I mention this, you blame the Palestinians.

Using the same logic, I could blame the Israelis for the suicide bombings, and ignore the fact that those atrocities aren't committed by Israelis.

[Herschel]

20. Surely you see

how terror makes the occupation ans incursions necessary. Settlements must not be sacrificed to embolden terrorists.

[Darranar]

21. That's complete junk...

let's look at this from the possible perspective of a Palestinian.

The incursions and the settlements make suicide bombins neccesary. Suicide bombings must not be stopped to embolden the incursions and settlements.

Do I agree with the above paragraph? No. But it is simply applying your logic to the other side.

[Herschel]

22. The problem

is you attempt to apply moral equivalency.

[Darranar]

23. No...

I'm simply using your logic for the other side.

Neither the settlements nor the incursions nor the suicide bombigns are moral. Any attempts to justify them through immoral actions of the enemy is simply trying to defend the indefensible and excuse the inexcusable.

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[rini]

4. I agree with Sharon on this issue.

Not only have they not accepted Israel, they are doing their best to revise history and erase the Jewish people as part of the history and culture of the region.

[Darranar]

7. Some are...

we agree.

Then there are those on the Israeli side who are doing the same thing.

"There are no Palestinians."

[Maple]

5. And if the UN plonked China

down in the middle of the US, you'd all happily accept it right?

[cantwealljustgetalong]

26. in order for that analogy to be appropriate...

the Chinese would have to have been dispersed from the US where they originally lived...

the people of China would have to revere Wash DC as their most holy city for thousands of years...

the people of China would have to have prayers, holidays, and a spiritual longing in which they hope to one day return to their beloved holy city in Wash DC...

there would have to have been Chinese people living in their holy city of Wash DC continuously for thousands of years...

there would have to have been countries that handed over their Chinese citizens to be annihilated by Nazis, while those countries committed grand theft larceny of the property and belongings of their Chinese citizens...

there would have to have been a Grand Mufti of Wash DC that met with and supported the Nazi Fuehrer's goal of annihilating the Chinese people...

then when half the Chinese people were annihilated in the most grotesque mass murder perpetrated in the civilized world of the 20th century, and...

then when the UN partitioned the US, which had been under the rule of a British Mandate after being under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, into proportional parts split between the indigenous Chinese and Chinese refugees and the indigenous Anglo inhabitants that conquered the land from a different people many years earlier and were now claiming it as their own,...

then, your question is...

should the US inhabitants have been magnanimous enough to accept a proportional partition or should they have opted for the Anglos of Canada to invade the US to help the US Anglo inhabitants push the Chinese refugees into the Atlantic and the Pacific?...

[Equinox]

9. Sharon must have a shady memory...

The Arab League save for Syria called for normalizations with Israel. This was an historic gesture that was shit upon by Sharon's fat ass.

The "Arabs hate us excuse" is just about as stupid as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Both incredible myths.

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. Not true

That call included the right of return. That's sort of like saying you get to be conquered.

[bpilgrim]

13. TRUE

just because sharon found a reason to reject it out of hand - something arafat is constantly accused of - without further talks and negotiations is JUST LIKE HIM.

how bout giving the palistinians something else instead?


the FACTS ON THE GROUND - sharons recent record - speaks for itself.

he is a FAILURE in bringing peace and SECURITY to his people.

peace

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. Right of return is a ridiculous issue

No Israeli leader should discuss it.

The call was class propaganda, nothing else.

Neither Sharon nor Arafat have brought peace, so? Could anyone in this situation? I doubt it.

[bpilgrim]

15. because one side says so won't make it go away...

and it is NO REASON not to negotiate.

israel could give them something ELSE if they can't give ROR.

it is a simple negotiation principal

and besides, his current plan is a horrible mess.

peace

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. There is every reason

To even discuss it is to discuss the destruction of Israel. Sorry, that's not negotiation. That's a poison pill.

The Palestinians need to be the ones who remove that issue from the table, otherwise the Palestinian people won't accept it.

The current region is in a horrible mess. Sharon only bears part of that responsibility. Many others get a slice of the pie.

[bpilgrim]

24. this can all be discussed

that still doesn't address the FACTS ON THE GROUND - sharon's record

:hi:

peace

[Herschel]

18. So after all these decades

many Arab countries have not normalized relations. That is no myth. Do not compare lack of Arab recognition to the Elders of Zion.

[bpilgrim]

25. sharon hasn't changed a bit

and rejected, out of hand, an opprotunity to negotiate for peace not just with palestinians but with the whole region... an historic opprotunity to get back to the table and talk and possibly stop the shooting.

but sharon, true to form, acted like a bull in a china shop and smashed eveything.

peace