Palestinians Vow Revenge as Israel Kills 8 in Raid

[Herschel]

- Israeli forces killed a Palestinian man and razed houses on the second day of a raid on a Gaza Strip refugee camp on Saturday, drawing vows of revenge from masked Palestinian militants leading a funeral march.

An Islamic militant group urged Palestinians to unite and fight the Israeli troops, who have killed eight Palestinians since launching their open-ended raid on the Rafah camp to search for arms-smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border.

The raid, the largest in months into Rafah, a known militant stronghold, followed a suicide bombing in Israel's port city of Haifa that killed 20 people last week.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031011/wl_nm/mideast_dc_123

Oh, my. It seems they will never learn. The back of Palestinian resistance must be broken and an unconditional surrender must be extracted. This is the way to peace.

[Darranar]

1. Palestinains were made homeless...

several innocent people were killed, and you call for unconditional surrender, so that they can be further abused and have their land stolen from them?

[Herschel]

2. Surrender and the destruction

of Palestinian militants would stop Israeli incursions.

[Darranar]

3. And it would leave the palestinians to have no real and viable state...

since many settlements would remain.

A negotiated - not unconditional - peace treaty is what is needed.

[Herschel]

4. There will no negotiations

with a terrorist state. The new state need not be at the Green Line. Palestinians would earn freedom under proper Israeli supervision.

[Equinox]

What an utterly ridiculous and callous statement.....

....

:eyes:

[DuctapeFatwa]

12. That is the policy of the US government, and both Repub and Dem parties

Be careful about criticizing the policy too harshly.

[Herschel]

13. Explain yourself

What parts are not true? Also, your signature line features an anti-semite as well as violating forum rules.

[Darranar]

14. Edward Said was not an anti-semite...

he was a righteous man who knew what he was talking about when it came to anti-Arab bias in the Western world.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

26. righteous men...

allen kalles zeinen shain; alleh maissim zeinen frum...
all brides are beautiful; all the dead are pious...

and edward said is a big fat liar...

[Darranar]

27. What lies did he tell?

[cantwealljustgetalong]

28. even worse, he is a lousy scholar that's been overindulged...

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/debunking.htm

[Darranar]

5. "Proper Israeli supervision?"

Why? Are the israelis now superior to the Palestinians?
Why shouldn't the new state be at the Green Line?

[Herschel]

15. Listen

The Iraqis are under American supervision. The Japanese and Germans were under American supervision after World War 2. Palestinians will be under Israeli supervision as an acceptable government is formed.

[Darranar]

16. The Iraqis are under American OCCUPATION...

denied real freedom because of the lack of a post-war plan.

You know who got them into this mess? Joe Lieberman and the other pro-war politicians.

Why shouldn't the Palestinains be under international supervision? the Israels have occupied and brutalized them for 36 years now. The settlements have been growing for almost as many years. Why should their oppressors supervise them?

[Herschel]

19. Your singling out Joe Lieberman

in regard to the Iraq war is bizarre. Did the Iraqis have freedom before the war? I think you know the answer.

[Darranar]

20. I singled him out...

because I know that he's your favorite candidate.

No, they didn't have freedom before the war. But neither do they have freedom now, after the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and hundreds of US troops. And the continuation of the devestating cycle of Arab suffering that causes terrorism.

[Herschel]

21. Are Arabs the only ones that suffer?

Do you see all other peoples that suffer turn to terror? It is not the answer.

[Darranar]

22. No, they aren't the only ones that suffer...

yet name another group of people that have been oppressed and haven't ever turned to terrorism.

Of course it isn't the answer.

[Scurrilous]

23. The Iraqis are...

....not under American 'supervision.' They are under occupation by coalition forces (don't you remember Bush's grand coalition of the willing?).

At the end of WW2 Germany was governed by the Allied Control Council. Germany was not under American 'supervision.' The Allied Control Council's members were the US, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union ( and later France).

The Palestinians are not under Israeli 'supervision.' They are under Israeli occupation. That is why Palestine is referred to as the Occupied Territories, not the supervised territories.

[Saudade]

6. Homeless

International aid organizations
and UNRWA officials were then able to make an
initial assessment of the damage: some 100 houses
were destroyed, leaving about 2,000 people
homeless. Eight Palestinians, including two
children, were killed earlier during the 72-hour
operation that began early Friday morning.

Most of the homes that were destroyed in the
Rafah camp were hit by tank shells and heavy
machine gun fire. Others were leveled by
explosives placed by the IDF. Since the
beginning of the intifada over three years ago,
some 500 homes in this area have been destroyed
in similar operations.

The meager infrastructure that existed in this
section of the Rafah camp - including sewage
pipes and electric and telephone lines - was
totally destroyed by IDF tanks and bulldozers,
international and Palestinian sources said
yesterday.

UNRWA director Peter Hansen visited Rafah
yesterday and said "the scene is shocking." He
added that they were still trying to assess the
damage, and argued that "there is no security
consideration that could justify such an attack
against civilians." Hansen added, "I am
pessimistic in regard to the Israeli motives in
activities in the area."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/349093.html

Another example of Sharon's horrible, inhumane and idiotic policies. I wonder how many of those 2000 newly homeless people will be motivated to violence against Israel.

Sharon is a complete and utter failure as a leader.

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. Arafat

Hmmm, note that line, "Since the beginning of the Intifada." So, it isn't Israel's fault at all. It shows that the Palestinians have significantly ramped up the violence and the conflict.

[Saudade]

8. Nonsense

"note that line, "Since the beginning of the Intifada." So, it isn't Israel's fault at all. It shows that the Palestinians have significantly ramped up the violence and the conflict."

This post makes absolutely no sense logically or morally.

"Since the beginning of the intifade" is a measure of time, not moral value or fault.

Of course it's Israel's fault -- they are stealing land and tormenting people to drive them out.

It is entirely rational, moral and legal for the Palestinians to resist violence with violence. And it will continue until Israel starts acting like a responsible civilized nation.

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. Not just a measure of time

Give me a break. It shows a complete change in Palestinian strategy and policy and the enactment of a three-year war of terror against Israel. And you are surprised that bad shit happened to the Palestinians as a result?

The Palestinians want a nation. To get that, they need to stop the terror. If they don't, they won't. It's that simple.

[Saudade]

17. Simplistic

"The Palestinians want a nation. To get that, they need to stop the terror. If they don't, they won't. It's that simple."

The history of national liberation movements demonstrates conclusively the idiocy of this remark by a perfect consumer of Israeli propaganda.

History is not on Israel's side. Israel remains an anachronism -- as South Africa was until the native population was liberated.

There really is no place in the world for a state defined by ethnic/religious characteristics, and I suspect that Israel will insist on learning this simple lesson the hard way.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. Just a fact

Israel is not like any other nation. The Jewish people have been pushed around the Earth for 2,000 years. Now they are back where they started and aren't going away. The Arab world needs to learn that. Failure to do so has cost them losses in a variety of wars.

Israel may indeed be an anachronism, that doesn't make it wrong or even not viable. It is simply a fact.

If the Arab world insists there is no place in the world for Israel, then I pity the Arab world and what will happen to it when it tries to enforce its opinion.

[Darranar]

25. If you believe the Bible...

they used genocide and ethnic cleansing to get that land in the first place.

[Muddleoftheroad]

29. I believe the Bible in general

But believe much of the older work to be more stories and parables.

Even if it is exactly true, so? Do you hold them to today's morality?

[Saudade]

18. Simplistic

"The Palestinians want a nation. To get that, they need to stop the terror. If they don't, they won't. It's that simple."

The history of national liberation movements demonstrates conclusively the idiocy of this remark by a perfect consumer of Israeli propaganda.

History is not on Israel's side. Israel remains an anachronism -- as South Africa was until the native population was liberated.

There really is no place in the world for a state defined by ethnic/religious characteristics, and I suspect that Israel will insist on learning this simple lesson the hard way.

[Philosophy]

9. Unconditional surrender of whom?

Let's see - the Israeli's are going to keep killing innocent Palestinian civilians and razing their homes until the militants surrender? The civilians have no control over the militants and the militants don't care if the civilians get killed, in fact this only furthers their cause. The Palestinian civilians could surrender to everyone in sight and nothing would change.

[Stupdworld]

10. nothing new here

arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill arabs kill jews kill...repeat as necessary until everyone is dead.