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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 03:55 PM
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Eyewitness account of the invasion of Rafah
The terrorism you don't hear about on MSNBC or Cox & Forkum ...

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2061.shtml

Then the streets started screaming and we were running almost without thinking, down the edges of the street around the people who had lost their fear, around donkey carts loaded full, ran until we fround a corner to turn into and then we ran past families and children, through narrow streets far enough from the main street not to know the worst, far enough that we were the ones spreading the news that the army had come back.

It left 10 people dead and upwards of 80 injured; over 100 homes demolished and 2,000 people homeless, according to the UN's estimate. And even then, the army left incompletely and provisionally, remaining stationed along the border, and Moshe Allon calling to deploy more reserves. The word on the street is that the army has left just long enough for the frightened families to leave the camp, an empty shell for the army to finish demolishing.

When the army entered we were on the roof passing aroung stories and dreams. The Apaches came in like a foreboding signal of the end of the world, dropping fist-sized bombs -- boom boom boom, explosions every several minutes from the planes and the tanks. We spent the night in the office waking with fear and coffee, every bullet sounding like it was coming through our windows. We are in the center of the city. All the shooting comes from the borders, and even if it doesn't reach our walls it shoots in our direction, it sounds awful, like wretching rain.

Even as I sit by Feryal now in the crowded clinic benches full of pregnant women and screaming children, tanks shoot into the camps. It hasn't stopped all morning or all night, and there are four new injuries. The whole town is frightened, afraid to let out its breath. The sadness is dry and wordless. People are staying in tents on the street, some families have room to take in the new homeless.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:18 PM
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1. something of interest
During this particular terrorist raid, Israel murdered the ambulance driver who had carried Rachel Corrie:

"One of the ambulance drivers that drove Rachel Corrie to the hospital had also been killed on his way to rescue the injured. His was one of two ambulances the army shot at that night."
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:26 PM
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2. First aid
First Geneva Convention:

Article 19 (Protection of Medical Units and Establishments)

'Fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service may in no circumstances be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties of the conflict….'

Article 24 (Protection of Permanent Personnel)

'Medical personnel exclusively engaged in the search for, or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded or sick, or in the prevention of disease, staff exclusively engaged in the administration of medical units and establishments,…shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.'


Fourth Geneva Convention:

Article 16 (Wounded and Sick)

'The wounded and sick, as well as the infirm, and expectant mothers, shall be the object of particular protection and respect….'

Article 27 (Treatment of Civilians)

'Protected persons…shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity….'

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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:29 PM
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3. Oh..but everyone knows that the ambulances are loaded with bombs!
|end sarcasm|

:wtf:

:argh:
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:33 PM
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4. A reliable source
would be appreciated.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:49 PM
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5. no kidding
tell us about it.
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:55 PM
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6. Explain yourself
Is the electronic intifada reliabe? I think you know the answer.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:59 PM
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7. Careful Hershel....
this could all go into a new file .
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:03 PM
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8. I will be careful
not to offend our friend's sensitivities.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:50 PM
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17. funny how you defend
a person who thinks Arabs possess their own smell,cheers extra-judicial killings,etc etc.

I dont need a file.The vileness of some of yours and his positions are perfectly open for all top see.

Now,back to LGF for the latest tripe for you to post....
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:55 PM
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18. Enough personal attacks
Please address issues.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:14 AM
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23. Why don't you address issues?
Your first post was a complaint about the source.

So let's get to it: what do you think about Israel's terrorist actions against Palestinian civilians in Gaza?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 05:04 PM
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26. Hey Resistance!
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 05:04 PM by Darranar
It's only Israel defending herself. It doesn't matter what happened; since it happened under the Israeli flag, it is all completely moral and justified.

Close youe eyes and ears and just trust Ariel Sharon.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:09 PM
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9. EI is reliable...
since nothing was really reported here but facts already known.
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:21 PM
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10. There is no confirmation
However, the accounts of the IDF actions and the reaction on the ground is fascinating.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:24 PM
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11. News agenices have been reporting...
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 07:24 PM by Darranar
razed houses and innocents killed. Whether or not it's been "confirmed", it's almost certainly fact.

This whole affair was pretty clearly carried out with little or no concern for human life and human welfare.
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:27 PM
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12. Had the IDF chosen to not take care
these numbers would have been far larger. Be glad.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:28 PM
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13. How large do they have to be...
in order for you to stop supporting their actions?

1,500 made homeless, several innocents dead... Do you even care?
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:32 PM
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14. Your suggestion
there was little or no concern for human life is absurd. The numbers were small. Admire the IDF's skill.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:33 PM
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15. 1,500 homeless is small?
:eyes:
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:38 PM
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16. The death toll was small
It was necessary to remove the homes.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:30 PM
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19. "Neccesary"?
Give me a break.

Neccesary for what?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:41 AM
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22. are you there?
you seem pretty sure of yourself.

webcam :shrug:

peace
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LevChernyi Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:19 AM
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24. close your eyes..
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 10:21 AM by LevChernyi
now imagine they were Jews bulldozed, ran off and murdered.

Notice how it magically turns to terrorism.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:15 PM
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25. and also imagine
if someone made excuses for terrorist crimes against Israelis by saying "the death toll was small"
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:37 AM
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21. got any confirmation on those accounts?
and what about the "reaction on the ground" is fascinating to you?
the wrecked homes, the fleeing, wounded, dead civilians?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:29 AM
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20. what would supposedly not be true about this report?
that the Israeli army invaded Rafah?

that they did so with guns blazing?

that there were civilian casualties?

are those not facts?

well then the source seems quite reliable.
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