U.S. vetoes security wall resolution

[dArKeR]

United Nations — The United States vetoed a UN Security Council resolution late Tuesday that would have condemned Israel for building a barrier that cuts into the West Bank.

The American veto came after the United States suggested an alternate draft that would have called on all parties in the Middle East struggle to dismantle terrorist groups.

The United States was the only country to vote against, using its veto as one of five permanent members of the council. Four of the 15 members of the Security Council abstained: Bulgaria, Cameroon, Germany and Britain.

U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte said the resolution "was unbalanced" and "did not further the goals of peace and security in the region."

http://theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031014.wisrael1015/BNStory/International/

This is a disgrace to our nation! Bush is a disgrace to our nation!

[Tinoire]

1. But but I though Condi was so... displeased!!!!!!!!!!

The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

2. Shameful

[Aidoneus]

3. Negroponte mouthing off about "peace and security"..

that's a sense of in-your-face irony that I would usually admire with my dark sense of humour (the raw nerve it requires is courageous in a way), but in his case it is just disgusting. He should be thrown in a dirty cage somewhere for the atrocious acts he was an approving party to, not allowed to speak from an elevated forum about what constitutes "peace and security".

:eyes: :argh: :puke:

[dudeness]

4. dark days indeed..

your country was once the beacon of peace and hope for the rest of the world to follow..now it is a reckless outlaw strutting the world stage..shame on germany and britain for a spineless response..

[Aidoneus]

5. when was that?

this sort is nothing new..
the packaging may be more direct and less concerned about diversionary superficialities, but is status quo for decades..

[dudeness]

6. quite right aidoneus

perhaps it was the pro US brainwashing I was subjected too in my youth..but I still feel an affection for the US and its people..

[Jim Sagle]

7. The wall ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanx for the good news!

:thumbsup:

[dudeness]

8. you must mean "pink floyd..the wall"

yes that did ROCK..hooray...lol

[Gimel]

9. Great News

The PLO efforts to continue attacks on citizens of Israel has been delt another blow. The Wall is a wall for peace!

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/349841.html

Edit to add the link to the Ha'aretz article.

[bowens43]

11. Peace?

You're being sarcastic , right?

[Name removed]

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[Equinox]

16. The PLO?

I thought it was the PA now...and as far as I know they haven't committed any....here's the word...."terrorist" attacks on Israel lately...

:shrug:

Walls are built to keep people in or out...this is a clear case of collectiver imprisonment....

[Gimel]

24. Yes, PLO

This organization still exists separate from the PA.

[bluesoul]

25. Facts

It isn't the one responsible for the latest attacks. There are various fractions, many out of Arafat's and PA's control..

[Equinox]

34. Anything to create an illusion though, eh?

:shrug:

[Gimel]

40. Not an illusion

a wall. A solid barrier.

[Equinox]

43. You didn't get what I was referring to.....

....sigh....

:shrug:

[Gimel]

48. Because it's a slur

So why should I acknowledge it?

[Equinox]

59. Are you accusing me of something?

Come with it then.

If you are not, then refrain from innuendo and conjecture. Thank you.

[Resistance]

37. that is a lie

the Apartheid Wall is racist, and is meant to steal more land. This has nothing to do with peace.

[Dookus]

10. this is disgusting

the wall is a travesty, and we should be leading the cause against it.

[dArKeR]

12. Isn't it amazing, the day of the veto and all the 'planned' push against

it we have an attack against American diplomats in Gaza!

Who was really behind this attack?

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[number6]

57. good question...

who indeed ..

[Equinox]

15. Who would have thought?

:shrug:

[tinnypriv]

17. full text of the resolution

The Security Council,

Recalling its resolutions 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) of 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980, 478 (1980) of 20 August 1980, 904 (1994)

18 March 1994, 1073 (1996) of 28 September 1996 and 1397 (2002) of 12 March 2002,

Reaffirming the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,

Reaffirming its vision of a region where two States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders,

Condemning all acts of violence, terror and destruction,

Stressing the urgency of ending the current violent situation on the ground, the need to end the occupation that began in 1967 and the need to achieve peace based on the vision of two States mentioned above,

Reiterating its call upon Israel, the occupying Power, to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949,

Reiterating its opposition to settlement activities in the Occupied Territories and to any activities involving the confiscation of land, disruption of the livelihood of protected persons and the de facto annexation of land,

1. Decides that the construction by Israel, the occupying Power, of a wall in the Occupied Territories departing from the armistice line of 1949 is illegal under relevant provisions of international law and must be ceased and reversed;

2. Requests the Secretary-General to report on the compliance, with this resolution periodically, with the first report to be submitted within one month;

3. Decides to remain seized of the matter.



Absolutely terrible that one. Deserves to be vetoed. :shrug:

[Gimel]

21. Unconscionable

Such a resolution is aimed at destroying Israel's security, and ultimately at destroying the Israeli public, and economy. A totally one-sided resolution, which is why it was vetoed.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. What's unconscionable...

Is the insistance of the Israeli govt that if they don't build that wall deep into Palestinian territory, it will destroy Israel's security etc. What have the settlements the wall is taking a path around got to do with protecting Israel's interests? Israel can't exist without illegally building settlements on territory that isn't part of Israel?

That resolution was vetoed not because it was totally one-sided, but because the US vetoes anything to do with Israel. And the US right now wants to flex its muscles in the SC and prove it's boss by torpedoing resolutions....

Violet...

[bluesoul]

32. Veto

The USA pretty much vetoes ANY resolution that has to do with Israel and it's crimes and sins. Which only sends a clear signal to the Arab (Muslim) world. So much for a "mediator". And then they'r surprised at the anger and hatred concentrated even in such attacks as the last one on US personel..

[Gimel]

39. Where is the

resolution to force Arafat to destroy the terrorist organizations?

[Resistance]

51. such as this?

(we all are painfully aware by now that posts like your #39 are merely distractive talking points, but here ya go, since you pretend to be so unaware)

Quartet' calls on Israel, Palestinians to do more to revive Middle East peace plan

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=8380&Cr=middle&Cr1=east

26 September – Voicing "great concern" at recent Israeli and Palestinian attacks that have stalled the Middle East peace process, a high-level meeting of the diplomatic Quartet of the United Nations, United States, Russian Federation and European Union (EU) today called on both sides to take immediate action to revive the so-called Road Map peace plan.

The Quartet plan calls for Israel and the Palestinians to take a series of parallel and reciprocal steps, including an end to Palestinian terror attacks and Israeli settlement activity in occupied territory and an easing of Israeli restrictions on the Palestinians, leading to two states living side by side in peace by 2005.

In its statement, the diplomatic group took issue with recent actions by both sides. "The Quartet members condemn the vicious terror attacks of August and September. They call on Palestinians to take immediate, decisive steps against individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks," it said.

[bluesoul]

53. Not good enough

Somehow I don't think that would satisfy Gimel. Ending "terrorism" would be stopping any form of resistance by the Palestinians while watching how more of their land is occupied, new settlements are built and more Palestinians are driven from their homes while they're bulldozed by the Israelis...

[Resistance]

54. Sad to say

I think some here do have an idea that "ending terrorism" would be to clear all Palestinians out of the O.T. and just push them into the sea .. er, I mean Jordan, or wherever really. Just get 'them' away from Israelis.

[Forkboy]

55. Another poster

once said that the UN supports Palestinian terror.When I showed this poster a number of statements that condemned it the story changed to "too little too late" and that it means something only to the "iconically challenged". :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

18. Let more Americans die!

For that is what inevitably happens as a consequence of our knee jerk support of whatever crimes Israel commits.

I wonder who will end up dead tomorrow as payback for this folly. This shit will never end for as long as we continue to make excuses for the gangsters of the Sharon government.

[drdon326]

19. Indy?? You still there ??

.

[sabbat hunter]

20. another brick in the wall

IMO it isnt the wall itself that is bad, merely where it is being built. it should be roughly along the green line with the exception of jerusalem.

if a country wants to build a wall, trench, moat whatever along its borders with other countries, that is their right.
if for some reason the US built a wall along the borders with canada and mexico, it would be the US right to do so.

and as far as the settlers in the west bank go, i saw a poll recently, cant find the link unfortunately, that said 80% of the settlers would leave the west bank and gaza if compensated monetarily. so that eliminats that problem


peace
david
:hippie:

[Gimel]

22. Presented resolution

even before the investigation by a UN committee, which was scheduled. Quickly pass a resolution demanding the destruction of the wall even before the true facts are known. This resolution was based on propaganda.

[Equinox]

23. Bullshit it eliminates the problem...

YOu are thinking from one perspective....


Hey...let's say we go to 1948 and the Arabs and Jews living in the land built the wall...that would be fantastic....

[Muddleoftheroad]

28. Most seem to disagree with you

In the pro-Palestinian camp, the idea of a wall that shuts off the West Bank and Gaza and prevents travel between them seems unpopular.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. I agree mostly with you on that...

It's the path of the wall that's the problem, not the wall itself. It makes sense that Sharon was totally opposed to the wall when Labor wanted to build it along the Green Line, but now is all gung-ho for it because it's going deep into Palestinian territory...


Violet...

[Rhiannon12866]

56. The reasons that the settlements exist at all is because the settlers

were compensated monetarily. If they were offered compensation to settle elsewhere, this would eliminate the problem. It is not the settlers fault, but the fault of a government which is rewarding them to live in the West Bank and Gaza. I cannot imagine that living in these beleaguered regions, with their inherent dangers, would be anybody's first choice.

[Rhiannon12866]

26. I wondered this myself when this story broke

and now we know. When will the news media make this connection?

[Gimel]

27. Give in

Give in on Justice. If you consider what the terrorists reaction will be, you've given up your own mind to them.

[Equinox]

36. ...the terrorists reaction will be...

...the terrorists reaction will be...

Which terrorists?

:-)

[rini]

29. Peace

And, speaking of Bob Dylan, have you ever heard this one?:


Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man,
His enemies say he's on their land.
They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
He's criticized and condemned for being alive.
He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin,
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
He's wandered the earth an exiled man.
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
He's always on trial for just being born.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
The bombs were meant for him.
He was supposed to feel bad.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
He's the neighborhood bully.

He got no allies to really speak of.
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love.
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly.
To hurt one they would weep.
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Every empire that's enslaved him is gone,
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
In bed with nobody, under no one's command.
He's the neighborhood bully.

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
He's the neighborhood bully.

What's anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin', they say.
He just likes to cause war.
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
He's the neighborhood bully.

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers?
Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
Running out the clock, time standing still,
Neighborhood bully.






...oops! It appears the 'neighborhood bully'
just received another visit from Hamas!

[bluesoul]

31. Dylan

I am sure Bob wasn't even a bit biased in the whole thing was he?

[Gimel]

41. No, just pro-human rights

He practically invented the genre in song.

[bluesoul]

42. Still

I am aware of that and I have respect for Dylan as a musician, but he is nonetheless biased.

[Equinox]

45. Even Bob Dylan supports two states at the very least....

...but he buckled from the pressure of that all too familiar lobby....

Sharing Jerusalem
>
> The Jerusalem Link (the Palestinian Jerusalem Center for
> Women and the Israeli women's organization Bat Shalom) held a
> festival with the title "Sharing Jerusalem: Two Capitals for
> Two States" from June 15-21, aimed at promoting Jerusalem as
> a capital for two peoples. The festival was held as a
> counter-point to the Israel Festival and events celebrating
> the Israeli "unification" (or occupation) of the city. The
> centers organized a variety of activities in the city
> including tours along the Green Line and of Jewish settlement
> in the Old City; symposia on the reality and future of
> Jerusalem; art and photo exhibitions, and musical
> entertainment. A series of jazz nights on both sides of the
> city attracted large crowds. Singer Bob Dylan canceled under
> pressure from the American Jewish lobby, while Sinead
> O'Connor canceled after she received death threats from
> right-wing Jews, so the concert plans were scrapped.

From: Al-Bushra

[Resistance]

47. Interesting stuff there, Equinox.

I can truly understand Sinead O'Conner cancelling because of death-threats. But Dylan cancelling just because of pressure from the Israeli lobby? I hope there is more to it than that, otherwise I am going to have to seriously re-consider my opinion of the man, which until now has been one of a fair amount of respect.

[Equinox]

60. I dig Bob Dylan....

and I don't hold him at all responsible for refusing to attend. The Israeli Lobby can be a formidable foe.

B. Dylan still rocks in my book.

It takes people with exceptional courage and integrity to go against the grain. One only has to look at Rachel Corrie.

[Equinox]

35. Absolutely correct, IndianaGreen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

38. You want more Americans to die?

nt

[Equinox]

44. No..

n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

46. Just checking, since you responded to a post saying,

"Let more Americans die!"

[Name removed]

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[Resistance]

50. you surprised, forkboy?

[Forkboy]

52. not in the slightest

[Equinox]

61. More of the "you're with us or against us" crap....

oh...well...:eyes:

[laura888]

58. these are the decisions that dictate the security-level of my country!

Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper in the Nation? A green light to anything Israel wants means Arab nations MIGHT hate us. The U.S. becomes the enemy.

[Equinox]

62. Isn't it wonderful when we are basically held hostages for the

few that are greedy and/or religiously fanatical?

[Rhiannon12866]

63. I agree with you. I learn something new every day, either here or in the

foreign press, that appalls me. I just don't understand why there isn't a huge outcry of outrage in this country at what's being allowed to happen. But people don't know. It's not being reported in the American media. And yes, we wonder why they hate us.