Shin Bet Chief: Hamas has eased its demands for truce with Israel

[Lithos]

Head of the Shin Bet General Security Services Yuval Diskin told a cabinet meeting Sunday that Hamas had eased its demands on a cease-fire with Israel, nine days after a IDF operation in Gaza began.

"There are signs that Hamas has softened their stance towards the conditions of a cease fire," Diskin said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052549.html

I will take this as a sign a cease fire may be in the works.

[Duckhunter935]

1. I hope they finally end this

But sadly I do not think this will happen

[Taitertots]

2. Hamas has demands

Seems like Hamas having demands is funny right now. They are going to get crushed by a vastly superior military and they have demands. I'll bet "right to return"(invade Israel) is still one of them. I thought demands were something people in a position of power would make. Not a shambling guerrilla army with no influence outside Palestine.

[StudsT]

3. Israel has been trying to 'crush' it's enemies for decades to no avail

in fact lately they only appear to be encouraging more of them... kinda like what our actions are doing in afghanistan.

i do not expect people to react favorably to israel when this kind of violence is used instead of negotiating.

StudsT

[Statistical]

7. How EXACTLY do you negotiate with a group who believes you have no right to exist

That is Hamas stated charter. Israel has no right to exist. Someday Israel will be destroyed. Someday the Jews will be exterminated for their crimes.

That policy has never changed. How exactly do you negotiate with that?

If there was a political party in the United State who believed that Homosexuals are not just evil but they have no right to exist and would not stop until they are exterminated.
Would you ask the GLBT organizations to "negotiate" with them? I doubt it.

[StudsT]

10. that is the exact same posture Israel takes towards democratically elected Hamas

I expect leaders to negotiate with their adversaries not commit mass terrorism against a civilian population.

but as we see our leaders feel might makes right and that the state can commit war crimes with impunity.

StudsT

[Statistical]

12. StudsT do you have a brain....

or are you some kind of web2.0 experiment? An automated bot that throws random pro-Hamas statements into threads?

IF Hamas goal was that the current Israeli GOVERNMENT was unacceptable you might have an equivalent situation.
That isn't Hamas goal. Their goal is the destruction of Israel in its entirety and the extermination of her citizens.

Despite your claims of 'war crimes' and 'genocide' if Israel had the same goal that Hamas did there wouldn't be a single Palestinian left.
Despite overwhelming military superiority the fact that the Palestinians still exist should be some indication that they don't share the same goals as Hamas.

The only reason why a single Israeli is alive is a matter of means not ability.

[StudsT]

14. momma always said never debate a fool as no one will be able to tell the difference

cya

StudsT

[Taitertots]

21. How could it be the same?

Hamas is an organization with the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its people. The Israeli government is not trying to launch a genocide program against Palestine.

Right makes right. The actions of a group whose aims are genocide should never be supported. Be that group the government of Palestine or Israel. Hamas deliberately attacks target of no military value and protects its targets with human shields. There can be no negotiations with religious hate groups. As long as the believe Islam commands them to fight, Israel has no other option but to attack. If civilians die dispite Israel's effors to limit them that is regrettable but acceptable.

[Lithos]

5. Your analysis is flawed

Hamas may be beaten militarily, but Hamas also has a political side which will not be destroyed through pure military means. The best means would be the creation of an open and healthy political process. Hamas' main strength is not their ideology, but their morality, perceived efficiency and lack of corruption. Same talking points the Republicans came up with in 1994.

L-

[Vegasaurus]

17. Hamas is itching to escalate further and pretend that they are in a superior position

Earth to HAMAS; the weaker has to sacrifice more.

Quit with the demands.

You won't get open borders if you continue your terrorism.

You won't get food and supplies to your people if you bomb the crossings.

You will continue to live with oppression if you continue to fire rockets.

How hard is it to understand?

Any sane person can.

[Statistical]

4. Sadly Hamas is deluded.

Israel ground offensive just started.

Nobody accepts a ceasefire after 36 hours of ground fighting just because the other side is incapable of mounting a defense.

Israel will destroy the military targets THEN give the option of ceasefire or occupation (military security force) which Hamas will accept.
It will be a week at least.

[cali]

6. And Israel with its illegal actions

and its grotesque brutality toward Palestinian civilians will ensure that more hate festers and more violence ensues.

[Sezu]

8. BS, this is a war not a love fest and such things happen

in a war even if we don't like them. Hate has festered BEFORE this war and will fester after it. The key for Israel is whether that hate will fester WITHOUT a bunch of Hamas terrorists at the height of their abilities. Even WW2 did not totally eliminate hate and Nazism and Jew hate did it?

[cali]

13. oh please. This is an occupation. convenient to forget that, but that's

the bottom line. And yes, of course hate festered before this action, never said it didn't. Furthermore, odds are that not only did this strengthen Hamas politically, it radicalized more Palestinians. And sorry, WWII has nothing to do with this.

[Statistical]

9. Israel may accept they will never have peace.

Countless organizations have promised peace for last 50 years.

The only thing that has reduced violence in Israel: the wall.
This is main reason Hamas switched to rocket attacks.
Israel wall and ability to close border crossings make suicide bomb attacks virtually impossible.

Now defending against terror is never 100% possible. Attacks will get through but they can be reduced.
Just like crime can never be eliminated but it can be reduced to a level where population feels safe.

The destruction of rocket equipment, explosives storage, military leaders, and command & control will set Hamas back couple years from a TECHNOLOGICAL stand point.

An attack requires motive & ability. Sure Israel actions give strength to the motive but maybe they just don't care anymore. The motive isn't going away so they will focus on destroying the ability.

As long as Hamas is in power and has a stated goal of the destruction of Israel there will be no peace.
So I see three outcomes:
1) Hamas changes their charter and works towards peace (unlikely)
2) There is NO PEACE in next 40 years and Israel continues to eliminate technical ability of Hamas
3) Palestinians realize Hamas is not helping and they overthrow them

You say Israel actions don't work because of #1 but I say #1 is LEAST LIKELY. Israel may have given up on #1.

[StudsT]

11. how about the palestinians? they have been oppressed, occupied, tortured, starved, terrorized and

have had their land stolen continually for decades... how would you react to that situation?

StudsT

on edit: typo

[Vegasaurus]

15. They have been oppressed and occupied

because the militants and their supporters have chosen war, terrorism and violence for 60 years.

Maybe, just maybe, they ought to try a new approach.

If they stopped one thing, the rockets, their lives would improve immeasurably.

[StudsT]

16. that is the same thing we said about the indians

in fact it is the same thing oppressors always say... they deserved it.

i ain't buying it, to me it looks like they are brutally oppressing a people and stealing their land and that kind of behavior always has a negative response.

unfortunately in our world might makes right and so it goes...

StudsT

[Vegasaurus]

18. Do you want to move off your land and give it back?

Israelis have been living within Israel proper for at least 60, and in some cases, 100 years.

Three generations now live in Israel.

That is their land now, so enough with the crap about "stolen land".

The settlements?

That is something else.

But Israel proper, which Hamas wants to take over?

That belongs to Israel and Jews.

[Duckhunter935]

20. A good place to start

Would be to change the Hamas charter

This is the Charter of the Islamic Resistance (Hamas) which will reveal its face, unveil its identity, state its position, clarify its purpose, discuss its hopes, call for support to its cause and reinforcement, and for joining its ranks. For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails.

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, Initiatives and International Conferences
initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion

Article Fifteen: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Obligation
When our enemies usurp some Islamic lands, Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims. In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by the Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad.

Article Thirty-Six: The Hamas are Soldiers

http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

added link

[ohio2007]

19. Hamas still demands 'unconditional surrender'

no matter how they twist and relabel a parade accident

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_video_of_israel_defense_forces_attack_on/9rj2