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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:04 AM
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The Nation: Israel in Gaza: Irrationality
By Wallace Shawn

December 29, 2008
Jews, historically, have been irrationally feared, hated and killed. Given that background, it's not surprising that the irrationality which surrounded them for so long, the fire of irrationality in which they were almost extinguished, has jumped across and taken hold of the soul of many Jews and indeed dominates the thinking of today's Israeli leaders and their American supporters.

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It is not rational to believe that the Palestinians in the occupied territories will be terrorized by force and violence, by cruelty, by starvation or by slaughter into a docile acceptance of the Israeli occupation. There is no evidence that that could possibly happen and mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Many right-wing Israelis and American Jews clearly believe that Jews have always had enemies and always will have enemies--and who can be shocked that certain Jews might think that? To these individuals, a Palestinian throwing stones at an Israeli soldier, even if his life has perhaps been destroyed by the Israeli occupation, is simply part of an eternal mob of anti-Semites, a mob made up principally of people to whom the Jews have done no harm at all, as they did no harm to Hitler. The logical consequence of this view of the world is that in the face of such massive and eternal opposition, Jews are morally justified in taking any measures they can think of to protect themselves. They are involved in one long eternal war, and a few hundred Palestinians killed today must be measured against many millions of Jews who were killed in the past. The agony the Israelis might inflict on a Palestinian family today must be seen in the perspective of Jewish families in agony all over the world in the past.

It is irrational for the Israeli leaders to imagine that the Palestinians will understand this particular point of view--will understand why Jews might find it appropriate, let us say, to retaliate for the death of one Jew by killing a hundred Palestinians. If a Palestinian killed a hundred Jews to retaliate for the killing of one Palestinian--for that matter, if a Thai killed a hundred Cambodians to retaliate for the killing of one Thai--which, from the point of view of the Israeli leaders, would of course be unjust, that would be racist, as if one Palestinian or one Thai were worth a hundred Israelis or a hundred Cambodians. But if a Jew does it, it's not unjust and it's not racist, because it's part of an eternal struggle in which the Jews have lost and lost and lost--they've already lost more people than there are Palestinians. Well, it's not surprising that certain Jews would feel this way, but no Palestinian will ever share that feeling or be willing to accept it. What the Palestinians see is an implacable and heartless enemy, one that considers itself un-bound by any rules or principles, an enemy that can't be reasoned with but can only be feared, hated and, if possible, killed.

As poor and oppressed people around the world are very well aware of the events in the occupied territories, and as they strongly identify with the Palestinian struggle and point of view, the future of the Jews looks increasingly dim.

read on...
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090112/shawn/print
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:14 AM
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1. I have come to believe that there is something in the
Israeli psyche that thrives on this stuff "us against the world" and in small part gets an ego boost if you will out of nose thumbing as world leaders come on bended knee begging "please please stop" the attitude is "make us" but you can't can you. I suspect this will not end for a while.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:16 AM
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2. "The future of JEWS LOOKS DIM"?
This is complete and utter hogwash.

Horrible nonsense.

I expect more from The Nation.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:23 AM
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3. The Nation was talking about a separate Jewish state in the middle
of Palestinian land.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:12 PM
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7. "The Future of the Jews is Dim' is an exact quote
and it is racist and ridiculous.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:18 PM
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8. Is it racist to say "the Jews"?
Is it racist to say: "The future of the Jews looks bright?"

Puh-leeze.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:23 PM
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9. The future of the Jews is dim?
Based on Israeli policy?

Talk about lumping all Jews with Israeli government, which people claim never to do.

The fact is, the future of Jews is NOT dim.

Jews contribute intellectually, professionally, technologically and in every other way, more than any other ethnic/religious group, particularly given how few Jews there are in the world.

THe future for Jews will continue to be very bright.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:30 PM
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10. I actually agree with Vegasaurus on this one
If the article had said "The future of Israel looks dim" I would agree. To use the term Jews broadbrushes them all, and is in error.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:07 PM
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11. It is the result of conflating Judaism with Zionism.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:26 AM
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4. Well, they aren't making any friends.
And neither are we.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:07 PM
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5. My thoughts exactly!
How many new terrorists have we created?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 01:01 PM
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6. Wait, Wallace Shawn?
"Inconceivable!" Wallace Shawn?

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