Israel: Meet our demand or brace for expanded war

[DogPoundPup]

Israel has threatened to expand its deadly military operation in the Gaza Strip if Egypt's truce proposal does not meet Tel Aviv's goals.

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Amos Gilad, the Israeli envoy to the talks, will depart for Cairo on Thursday to discuss the ceasefire proposal.

The Israeli official will see whether the proposal would meet Tel Aviv's demands and if Cairo would be willing to use US and German-made equipment to halt "arms smuggling" through the Rafah border-crossing.

Israel has also sent Foreign Ministry Director-general Aharon Abramovitch to Washington to see what guarantees can be provided by the US, NATO, Germany, the Netherlands, Turkey and others that "Hamas will not receive arms" in the future.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=82330§ionid=351020202

[DogPoundPup]

1. so, see? the israel 'expanded' 'war" is yet to come

any questions?

[Fozzledick]

2. Why does Hamas want war?

[DogPoundPup]

3. Why does who want war? WHAT?

[Fozzledick]

4. Hamas. You know, the ones who started it and keep it going.

[DogPoundPup]

5. Peace will happen in the Middle East when Israel is willing to accord to others only that which it

it demands for itself, a right to exist, and a nation of their own.

[Fozzledick]

6. They've tried that repeatedly, it's been rejected every time

That why we're in this mess, Hamas doesn't want peace.

[Idealism]

7. Hamas wasn't in power when it was tried in the past, FYI

So what you are really saying is that every Palestinian government, and thus by proxy those who elected them, do not want peace. Someones racism is showing!

[Fozzledick]

11. Yours?

[Idealism]

12. Sweet comeback. "I know you are but what am I" was too long to type?

[coruscate]

33. *groan*

Definite Pee Wee Herman moment.

I guess "g*n*cide" is the secret word because they SCREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM when they read it 8^)

[GoesTo11]

36. Yeah, Hamas might be more peaceloving than their predecessors

Kumbaya.

[DogPoundPup]

18. Israel doesn't want peace you mean..

There is no war and no end can be achieved with peace. That framing is for the TV...

There is only a colonial power, supported by the mega powers, grinding on and on killing and killing.. It is ethnic cleansing or genocide, impunity for the powerful, sanctioned, allowed, left to proceed.

[peacetalksforall]

21. Please don't try that Rove stuff on us.

[coruscate]

32. Hamas stopped it's rocket fire - Israel didn't end the blockade...

...and Israel opened fire during the cease fire, on November 4th.

Sorry, you're incorrect on who started this second round of fighting.

[azurnoir]

8. Does the truce allow for aid shipments? n/t

[Fozzledick]

9. It does if Hamas stops firing the rockets

That's been their main objection to every cease-fire proposal, they just don't want to cease firing.

[Idealism]

10. Link?

[azurnoir]

13. The former article says nothing of the sort

Once the cease-fire is reached, the IDF will withdraw from the positions it captured in Gaza, and only then will the two sides begin to discuss the opening of border crossings and removal of the blockade, which was the reason Hamas gave for waging war. The most that Cairo is offering is a timetable for the opening of the crossing points, and even that depends on negotiations due to begin after the cease-fire is reached, and it's tough to know how or when they will end.

so in other words Israel will maintain its collective punishment of the civilian population of Gaza for as long as it wants and Hamas must sit quietly and watch its population suffer

[Idealism]

15. Fozzle doesn't need facts to argue, he can copy and paste IDF press releases!

[Grinchie]

27. What do you mean? Fozzle is on the IDF Payroll

Such blind loyalty is always payed for with somebody elses money, most likely yours and mine.

[Behind the Aegis]

30. So, you writes your checks?

[coruscate]

34. *Self delete*

Misunderstood a statement and mis-replied.

[wellst0nev0ter]

38. Mark Regev, Spokeman For The Prime Minister, Admits Hamas

Did not fire rockets during the ceasefire before Israel broke it first in November.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c

[okiru109]

14. hey, it works for the MAFIA, right?

i suspect Israel is DESPERATE to get Hamas to cave in to it's political demands BEFORE the adults are sworn in to power.

[catnhatnh]

16. Oddly enough if the US, NATO, Germany, the Netherlands, Turkey and others...

also stopped providing arms to Israel, the Israeli's would have a hard time continuing this type of attack....Do they realize how ironic their statement sounds while they deliver US made bunker-buster bombs from US built F-16s???

[Fozzledick]

17. If Iran stopped providing arms to terrorists, there would be no attack

[Idealism]

19. You do realize Qassam grade rockets do not take a scientist to make

Hamas manufactured them for much of their existence, which is why the range wasn't as far as the current Grads are now, among other reasons.

[DogPoundPup]

20. If the world would just follow Israels demands always, everything would just be

hunky dory forever and ever, until Israel said it wasn't.

Get real fizzledick, it is time that Israel is recognized as an IMMANENT THREAT to Humanity. Israel is armed with every WMD Weapon of Mass Destruction known to man including 2-400 secret Nuclear warheads built with material STOLEN from America.

[cali]

28. The word is imminent not immanent. And Israel poses no

existential threat to humanity- certainly not in the same way that the U.S. has under bushco. Get a grip. And that goes for everyone here who sees one side as the devil incarnate.

[coruscate]

35. I'll agree, Israel itself is not the threat...

Like America, it has decent, good people in it.

However, like America during the last 8 years, the wrong people are running the show and THOSE PEOPLE are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

I doubt Israel is going to pop off that nuke until the most "doomsday-ish" of scenarios.

However, Israel does deserve to get the "Saddam Hussein treatment" now; it's time to deny them funding, stop sending them arms and call their cards on this bloody business.

Once this is done, those people in Israel who are not whackjobs will begin to step up and do the right work; Israel just needs to find it's Obama.

[peacetalksforall]

23. Your words are stuck, hackneyed, ancient, boring - we've heard them a million times

before, starting many decades ago with Palestinians in general.

Equally exhausting is the decades old action - an eye for an eye.

Israel always had the upper hand and never showed much humanity towards the Palestinians, nor has there been a sustained or even genuine search for peace. We are equally at fault, because we supported Israel faithfully and trusted that they would use their heads.

Now, for some of us, it's a 180.

Consider that we in the U.S. are tired of slaughter and are digusted that Israel is showing might in this way despite what Dem leaders are saying. They are not with us, they are not behind us. They are also stuck and use hacneyed, boring, predictable words. We deplore what has been done to Iraqis and you want us to side with Israel against Palestinians.

Please spare us all the old lines. Not buying it anymore. I'm not speaking for everyone, but am happy to know I'm not stuck anymore.

Israel leaders - way over the line of humanity.

Please use another approach if you want to make a breakthrough in continuing to win continued hearts or minds. Otherwise zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. It's a new world of change brought to us by Israel. Their leaders lost us. Too much blood of babies, grandparents, lead, phosphorous arrogance, war and killing of support.

[Tripmann]

25. "And the winner..

..of soundbite regurgitator of the year goes to...Fozzledick"

[azurnoir]

22. I think Turkey has stopped

even the Kurds who did not provide arms but were quite Israel friendly have jumped ship so to speak

[Grinchie]

29. They tried to sink the U.S.S. Liberty with French Mirage Fighters

Paid for with U.S. Money, so I think cutting off the money would be a good first start.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7267134620652018859&hl=en

[coruscate]

24. Olmert is forcing Israel to commit suicide

No two ways about it, he's bringing an end to Israel's "blank check" world.

[Grinchie]

26. Cut off the money, you know, like the Democrats tried to do with the Iraq war.

It should be easier being that Israel is a militant, violent, aggressive foreign country Several hundred thousand miles away. Who cares, but I don't think we should pay for their war when we can't even afford the 2 we have going right now. Let them pay for it and see how they manage to budget it.

That would provide quick incentive for everyone..

Edit:

On second thought, if we cut off the money abruptly, we'd probably have a nation of Bin Ladens to deal with.

[coruscate]

31. No, we will be just fine

There are real progressives in Israel who do care for other human beings and are not the kind of savage murderers that Olmert and his bunch are. The people have been hyped into their war like Americans were hyped into our last one, they'll do fine if we cut off the dollar spigot and let them think things over.

The world won't go to hell and remember... America is pretty much what keeps Israel safe; other nations know they can't toast Israel without facing America afterwards. So if we abandon Israel and Israel attacks America you can bet every surrounding state with a bone to pick with Israel is going to jump in like starving dogs to a piece of meat; it would be literal sucide for their whole county for any Israelis to try and "Bin Laden" America.

[Christa]

37. There are still Palestinian children alive

Israel will not stop until all is dead.

[Vegasaurus]

39. Oh, Israel could kill everyone much quicker than they are doing

if the goal was to kill ALL the Palestinian children.

How stupid.

Posts like yours are why this conflict will continue into the next millenium.