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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 05:34 PM
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Al Aqsa Martyrs...peace on their terms equals...
The Struggle Will Continue Until the Liberation of All of Palestine from the River to the Sea - Yoav Yitzhak (NewsFirstClass-Hebrew)
The organization that is the terrorist wing of Fatah, headed by Yasser Arafat, distributed an official leaflet about its intentions to conduct a number of attacks during Ramadan, which begins next week.
The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades threatens that the struggle will continue until the liberation of all of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
The Brigades threaten to continue the armed struggle soon with very serious suicide bombings.

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:49 PM
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1. Al-aqsa MURDERS brigade
"From River to the SEA"

Someone remind me how they just want their own country
and its really only about the settlements??

And then remind me how this is just one small group and
to ignore the 75% palestinian support of terrorist bombings
and also ignore the approx. 60% pal.population support
of continuing to attack Israel even AFTER they get their own
state??

sooooo confusing......
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Sesquipedalian Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 06:57 PM
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2. They didn't invent the term "the river to the sea"
The Israeli's did. Not only invented the term, actually conquered it all and treat the inhabitants they didn't manage to murder as human garbage. You don't care that they did it. I don't see why you are upset that the Palestinians learned from their teachers.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:03 PM
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3. Who? What ? Me ? Upset?
nahhhh....i quit being upset 23 suicide bombings ago.
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:14 PM
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4. LOL....
Conference of Presidents is associated with the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs headed by Dr. Dore Gold. Dr. Gold can hardly be said to be objective on this issue!

LMAO.....

Have a look see:

The quest for defensible borders has been an axiom of Israeli governments since 1967 on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 242. Defensible borders for Israel has been explicitly backed by Washington since the Reagan administration. In Rabin's last Knesset address he made clear that Israel "will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines." He insisted on a map including a united Jerusalem, the settlement blocs, and the Jordan Valley.

In 2003, Israeli planners will have to operate under the assumption that the dismantling of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure will be incomplete, and should a Palestinian state nonetheless be established, its complete demilitarization will not be reliable.

During the Oslo years, the Palestinian leadership was in material breach of the military clauses of the Interim Agreement, seeking to import illegal weaponry like SA-7 shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles and manufacturing Qassam rockets.

Many of the same security figures who breached Oslo now serve the government of Mahmud Abbas. Moreover, fundamentalist groups like Hamas that mentioned the Islamic term hudna, for cease-fire, understood that it means a truce that is maintained until the balance of power changes. This means they will seek rearmament; Israeli military intelligence was, in fact, reporting that Hamas had accelerated production of Qassam rockets in early July. In their pronouncements, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have even used a weaker term: ta'liq - a temporary cessation of hostilities.

In the wake of the decline of the threat from Iraq, Israel will require defensible borders to meet the growing lethality of the Palestinian threat, backed by the assistance of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. The Bush administration should provide Israel with assurances concerning defensible borders as it seeks Israel's acquiescence to the creation of a Palestinian state.

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In that Knesset address Rabin provided the details of his map. He insisted on retaining the Jordan Rift Valley: "The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term" (emphasis added). Rabin did not view the narrow Jordan River alone as an adequate defensive barrier, but preferred to rely on the eastern slopes of the 2-3,000 foot high West Bank mountain ridge that rise from the Jordan riverbed located 1,200 feet below sea level. By holding onto the Jordan Valley, in its broadest sense, Rabin sought to assure that Israel would maintain security control of a steep geographical incline that could provide Israeli forces with a defensive barrier having a net height differential of up to 4,200 feet.

In his speech, Rabin stressed, "first and foremost," the need for Israel to hold onto a "united Jerusalem" as its capital, including the communities of Ma'ale Adumin to the east and Givat Ze'ev to the north. While calling for the establishment of "settlement blocs" where possible, he explicitly mentioned communities south of Jerusalem as well - "Gush Etzion, Efrat, Beitar." It is important to note that Rabin did not support the establishment of a Palestinian state, but rather sought to limit its powers: "We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority" (emphasis added).



From: http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp500.htm">Dr. Dora Gold Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.

Comment: Less than progressive? Yes.



More stuff here about "People's War"



During the 1970s and 1980s, the elite of the PLO developed close ties with the Soviet Union and with countries of the Eastern Bloc, such as the German Democratic Republic and Romania.13 The relationship between the PLO and the Soviet Union was somewhat different, because of Moscow's objective of penetrating and increasing its political influence in the region.14 Although the relationship between the PLO and the USSR dated from the 1960s, it was only in 1974 that the PLO formally opened an interests office in Moscow. In exchange for Soviet aid, the PLO extended its full support to Moscow, which later included public approval of the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan.15 Many Palestinians received training in warfare, espionage, and indoctrination in Communist countries.16 One notable example, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), the current Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority, received his doctorate from Moscow's Oriental College in 1982.17 While it may not be possible to ascertain the exact type of training each individual may have received in these socialist countries, their collective experience left them with commonly held views regarding military doctrine, which they continue to hold.

In 1970, while the PLO's relations with the Soviet Union "remained distant and marked with suspicion," China and Vietnam "reached out" to the PLO, inviting Yasser Arafat and Abu Iyad for a discrete visit. Zhou Enlai (Chou En-Lai) received the two in China and granted them his country's full support.18 In Vietnam, where they remained for two weeks, their gracious host was General Vo Nguyen Giap (b.1912), the master of insurrectionary warfare of his generation. It is reported that Abu Iyad asked the Vietnamese why public opinion in the West considered the Palestinian armed struggle to be terrorism, while the Vietnamese struggle enjoyed praise and support.

In response, the Vietnamese counseled the PLO to work for their goals in phases, which would conceal their real purpose, permit strategic deception, and give the appearance of moderation.19 They also coached the Palestinians on the manipulation of the American news media.20 Giap exhorted Arafat: "Fight by any method which can achieve victory.... If regular war can do it, use it. If you cannot win by classical methods, don't use them. Any method which achieves victory is a good one. We fight with military and political means and with international backing."21 With these words, General Giap described the essence of a people's war.

This was not the first high-level Palestinian visit to North Vietnam. In 1964, Fatah, before its takeover of the PLO, sent Abu Jihad, the man who would eventually head the PLO's military operations, to China and North Vietnam, where he studied the strategy and tactics of guerilla war; he testified that these visits affected his military thinking for years to come to such an extent that he later preached the need for "a people's liberation war."22 It is noteworthy that Fatah translated the writing's of General Giap into Arabic, as well as the works of Mao and Che Guevara.23 Similarly, the PFLP, which would also merge with the PLO, included the writings of Mao and Giap as part of the military training of their fedayeen in the late 1960s.24


From: http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp503.htm">Joel Fishman Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs

Comment: Shall we say fair and balanced? No.
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