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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:48 AM
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Hamas says Fatah taking revenge in West Bank
01-23) 04:00 PST Ramallah, West Bank -- Hundreds of Hamas supporters, including journalists, university students and Muslim leaders, have been beaten, arrested and tortured across the West Bank as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas takes revenge on Hamas for its crackdown on his Fatah supporters in Gaza, Hamas activists say.

The move has deepened growing divisions between Abbas' Fatah party and the Hamas movement that won parliamentary elections in Gaza before seizing total control of the territory in a 2007 bloody coup.

The reported West Bank sweep and its alarming consequences for Palestinian unity pose a sharp challenge to President Obama, who named former Sen. George Mitchell Thursday as his special envoy to the Middle East and pledged to aggressively seek a lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Hamas has admitted arresting, executing and torturing Fatah "spies" it has accused of aiding Israel during the three-week invasion of Gaza. Hamas leaders also have branded Abbas as an Israeli collaborator.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/23/MN3215FAUD.DTL&type=politics
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:53 AM
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1. "Hamas has admitted arresting, executing and torturing Fatah "spies" ..."
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 09:56 AM by aquart
They can do it but Fatah can't? Oh, please. (on edit: I knew the people they were rounding up weren't going to be seen again.)

And THIS is why I am completely in favor of Palestinian statehood. For those so impressed with fifty percent of the population being children, THIS is how it happens. As long as they continue to eat their own, the natural end of puberty will be death.

Israel attacked and it's their excuse for a killing spree of their OWN people?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:00 PM
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2. What? Didn't Hamas get the message?
For every one they torture or kill, they make a 100 enemies out for revenge.

Isn't that one of the formulations?

Of course it also applies, at least in principle, to those terrorized by Qassams or bombs or bulldozers.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:02 PM
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3. Hamas and Fatah are all a bunch of thugs
One group is our thugs the other group isn't. That's the only difference.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:06 PM
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4. So We Seem To Be Getting 'Bleeding Kansas: Round Two' Out Of This, Sir
If this keeps up much longer, there are going to be two Arab Palestines, which is not a good development at all, though there is a body of thought holding that was part of the intention of pulling out of Gaza back in '05 in the first place....
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:12 PM
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5. If I read Presidents Obamas statement right
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 04:14 PM by azurnoir
he put the ball firmly in Fatahs court and they are apparently not doing too well with the return.

edited because spelling is not my strong suit
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:14 PM
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6. Oh come Sir, can't we do West Side Story instead?
I don't think John Brown's escapades are the right answer here.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:18 PM
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7. Why The Hell Not, Sir....
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:29 PM
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11. More like MAD Magazine's "East Side Story" about the two gangs at the U.N. ...
"When you're a Red you're a Red all the way
from your first party purge to your last power play!

When you're a Red you've got agents galore;
You give prizes for peace while they stir up a war!

You set off a test, and when you're halfway through it -
You point at the West, and say they drove you to it!
That's how you do it!"
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:43 PM
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8. You sound like you have a pretty negative opinion of John Brown
I think he could loosely be defined as a hero.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:59 PM
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9. He was a very violent man.
A fanatic, a lousy leader, and an important figure in US history. He is certainly seen as a hero in some quarters, but not in others, and not by me. I don't particularly have a bone to pick about him, but the comment on Bleeding Kansas made me think of the Pottawatomie Massacre:

A Free State company under the command of John Brown, Jr., set out, and the Osawatomie company joined them. On the morning of May 22, 1856, they heard of the sack of Lawrence and the arrest of Deitzler, Brown, and Jenkins. However, they continued their march toward Lawrence, not knowing whether their assistance might still be needed, and encamped that night near the Ottawa Creek. They remained in the vicinity until the afternoon of May 23, at which time they decided to return home.

On May 23, John Brown, Sr. selected a party to go with him on a private expedition. Captain John Brown, Jr., objected to their leaving his company, but seeing that his father was obdurate, silently acquiesced, telling him to "do nothing rash." The company consisted of John Brown, four of his sons—Frederick, Owen, Watson, and Oliver—Thomas Winer, and James Townsley, whom John had induced to carry the party in his wagon to their proposed field of operations.

They encamped that night between two deep ravines on the edge of the timber, some distance to the right of the main traveled road. There they remained unobserved until the following evening of May 24. Some time after dark, the party left their place of hiding and proceeded on their "secret expedition". Late in the evening, they called at the house of James P. Doyle and ordered him and his two adult sons, William and Drury, to go with them as prisoners. (Doyle's 16-year-old son, John, who was not a member of the pro-slavery Law and Order Party, was left with his mother.) The three men were escorted by their captors out into the darkness, where Owen Brown and one of his brothers killed them with broadswords. John Brown, Sr., did not participate in the stabbing but fired a shot into the head of the fallen James Doyle to ensure death (Reynolds 2005, 172).

Brown and his band then went to the house of Allen Wilkinson and ordered him out. He was slashed and stabbed to death by Henry Thompson and Theodore Winer, possibly with help from Brown's sons (Reynolds 2005, 172–3). From there, they crossed the Pottawatomie, and some time after midnight, forced their way into the cabin of James Harris at sword-point. Harris had three house guests: John S. Wightman, Jerome Glanville, and William Sherman, the brother of Henry Sherman ("Dutch Henry"), a militant pro-slavery activist. Glanville and Harris were taken outside for interrogation and asked whether they had threatened Free State settlers, aided Border Ruffians from Missouri, or participated in the sack of Lawrence. Satisfied with their answers, Brown's men let Glanville and Harris return to the cabin. William Sherman was led to the edge of the creek and hacked to death with the swords by Brown's sons, Winer, and Thompson (Reynolds 2005, 177).

Having learned at Harris's cabin that "Dutch Henry", their main target in the expedition, was away from home on the prairie, they ended the expedition and returned to the ravine where they had previously encamped. They rejoined the Osawatomie company on the night of May 25 (Reynolds 2005, 177).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottawatomie_Massacre

This was all some time before the debacle at Harper's Ferry.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:23 PM
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10. He Was One Cold Son Of A Bitch, Sir
And that from an un-reconstructed Federal who thinks the 'state suicide' doctrine ought to have been applied to the seats of Treason....

"I will fight the secesh till Hell freezes over, then fight on the ice!"
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 05:39 PM
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12. Well, you won't find me defending "state's rights" Sir.
Oddly enough, one of my favorite hiking spots (Brown Mountain) is named after John Brown's sons.

The more I think about it, the more I am taken with President Obama's aspiration to follow in the steps of Lincoln. We still have unfinished business from back then, and it says a great deal that he has that historical awareness and that historical ambition. A Constitutional scholar, a Senator, young and ambitious, not from the ruling elites, at a time of national crisis, it's like a perfect storm.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:58 AM
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13. Hamas says it captured spies in Gaza ( and got them to 'talk ' about it )
Hamas says it has arrested dozens of people spying for Israel in the 23 days Tel Aviv carried out military operations against Gaza.

"The internal security service was instructed to track collaborators and hit them hard," the democratically-elected Palestinian government's Interior Ministry spokesman Ehab al-Ghsain said on Wednesday.

"They arrested dozens of collaborators who attempted to strike the resistance by giving information to the occupiers about the fighters," he said.


snip
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83355§ionid=351021701
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:19 AM
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14. Iran's Press TV reporting on a statement from Hamas
Doesn't get any more reliable than that!
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:46 AM
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15. Without a doubt, those collaborators should be tried and punished.
Anyone who enabled Israel to carry out that massacre is truly criminal and should be treated as such.

Do you guys disagree?
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:43 PM
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16. I disagree
if those collaborators were trying to help root out the terror organization known as Hamas. They were absolutely right to try and help to get rid of that terror group.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:32 PM
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17. What is going on is not trials. Truth is not goal, vengance Hamas losses is
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