Honor killing? Young mother murdered

[oberliner]

A 20-year-old Bedouin woman, Samar Abu Jumah, was murdered in the southern city of Ashkelon Saturday in what police are suspecting was an "honor killing." The victim's 2-year-old daughter, who was unharmed in the attack, was found next to her mother.

Police and Magen David Adom (MDA) ambulance service received a report Saturday regarding a body of a woman found in an Ashkelon apartment. An MDA doctor pronounced the victim dead at the scene. The woman is believed to have been stabbed to death. Meanwhile, the child has been handed over to welfare officials.

A medic at the scene said the woman was found in a pool of blood and without vital signs.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3661082,00.html

[azurnoir]

1. There is nothing in the story to indicate

that it was an "honor killing" well except the victim had an Arab name which makes all the difference I guess the victims boyfriends name who is in custody name is not given however.
But in the same vein is this an "honor killing"

A British man who murdered his wife after becoming enraged when she changed her relationship status on Facebook to "single" has been jailed for at least 18 years.

Edward Richardson, 41, stabbed wife Sarah, 26, to death in a "frenzied and brutal" attack at her parents' home in Biddulph, central England, last May after she altered her profile on the Internet social networking site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3704458

[Alamuti Lotus]

2. Those English people are just not like us

Their culture and values are so insane, they must be liberated immediately...

[azurnoir]

5. really, but it seems to me

the "glove fits" but it seem that this "grape" is being called a "cherry"

[oberliner]

3. It says that the police suspect it was an honour killing

I would assume the police have some reason for suspecting that.

[azurnoir]

4. No details just "suspicion" oh and an Arab surname

but well that's enough, but I know Arabs do not have "domestics" they have honor killings and you did answr whether or not the story I posted could be called an honor killing.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. Classic small story in the media

The police hopefully have more than a dead Bedouin woman for thinking its an honor killing, but you would never know it from the article.

[pelsar]

10. lesson in culture...

first just because you cant read the article and pick up on the cultural clues doesnt mean they arent there...in fact they are there very clearly:

Unwed beduin women living in ashklon....that already indicates that she may have "shamed" her family. Of course this is merely suspicion, for all we know the family is very liberal and even supports their child.....or perhaps they are more traditional and are shamed by her, either way there are infact clues that indicate that far beyond her name, an honor killing could have taken place...your dismissal and subsequent "hint" that the writers of the article is racist is duly noted...but this is hardly the first time you've "wondered" or hinted at just how racist israeli society is

nice try.....except if you knew a bit about the culture, you might not have written what you did.

[azurnoir]

14. bull pucky I understand the culture

what I did notice in the story was that the boyfriend was not identified which made me wonder if he was not an Arab and even at two the child can answer who hurt your mommy
also note my discussion with Oberliner below.

[azurnoir]

16. Also

"honor killings" no matter where they occur, why, or who does the killing seem to me to be based in a perceived insult to the family "jewels" as it were.

[azurnoir]

7. To be very honest with you sir this is the problem I have

with the "honor killings" designation if the reasons for domestic violence were closely looked at you would find I suspect that a great deal of spousal/partner murders or those where other female household members are the victim fit the "honor killing" mold but it is only in the Muslim world that the designation is used

[oberliner]

8. An honor killing is not when one partner kills the other other partner

An honor killing is when men kill a female member of their own family for bringing shame or dishonor to their family, such as by being raped or by committing adultery.

[azurnoir]

9. I covered that sir

I suspect that a great deal of spousal/partner murders or those where other female household members are the victim

if you look at the reasons adultery is one and rape not so much but trust me it has happened at least physical beating and attempted murder it happened to a close friend and her spouse was not an Arab or a Muslim.

[oberliner]

11. I honestly do not follow what you are saying

Are you claiming that "honor killings" occur outside of the Muslim world, but that they just aren't called that?

You are saying that you have a close friend whose family tried to kill her because she brought shame onto the family by committing adultery?

[azurnoir]

12. Answer to first question YES

answer to second not shame on family as such shame on spouses "manly pride" is more like it and it has been my take on honor killings and domestic violence that for some the two are often one and the same family pride just sounds better or something

edited to add my friend did not commit adultery she was violently raped and by someone that would hardly be an attractive other it was a homeless crazy

[oberliner]

13. I think domestic violence and honor killing are two different things

Domestic violence would be when an angry husband kills his wife because he suspects that she has been unfaithful.

I would agree that this happens all over the world.

Honor killing would be when a man kills his own daughter or sister because she cheated on her husband.

That is a different type of crime and appears to be unique to particular cultural and/or religious groups.

[azurnoir]

15. Honor killing is hardly unique t the Muslim world

nor is limited to example you gave it has happened in Asia in Korea and Viet Nam in particular when a women has become pregnant by an American, and that is just one example are you denying that father in every culture have not killed their own daughters for becoming pregnant out of wed lock? Brothers have killed their own sisters for such things too

edited to add that domestic violence and honor killings are not always the same thing but some times they are

[oberliner]

17. Thanks for the info

I'll try to read up more about it.

Is there a good organization/website that addresses this phenomenon?

[azurnoir]

18. Don't know to be honest

but my knowledge is partially anecdotal and reading stories of Amerasians who were adopted by Americans or Europeans

[Vegasaurus]

19. Have you done any reading on SHARIA law?

Women are killed or stoned in some of these countries that practice this, merely for being seen with a man who is not her husband.

Forget about adultery.

Just for not getting permission to leave the house, since she is treated like a minor who needs protection from any male relative.

Women can be flogged for even more minor offenses.

Your effort to equivocate this is mind boggling.

Yes, there is domestic violence,

But no, there are not women killed (because of the LAW) for "shaming" the men, who have all the power.

Find me some equivalent laws in other places, which clearly outline the role of women, and what they can be flogged and stoned for.

It won't look like these honor killings that happen only in Muslim countries.

[azurnoir]

20. Yada yada yada

never miss a chance do you? MUSLIMS BAAAAD MMMMkay yes I am aware of sharia law, why don't go spout you crap on FreeRepublic if you do not already

[Vegasaurus]

21. Not at all

It was to enlighten you, since you seem to ignore that Honor Killings, stonings, floggings are part of religious law in Islam.

Your efforts to equivocate these acts of human rights abuse and violence to other kinds of domestic violence fall flat.

I asked you to show examples of similar religious law that treats women like this, and you claim I post on FreeRepublic.

You aren't able to substantiate your claim, because there is no other culture or religion that resorts to killing women who are seen with a man other than her husband or father.

G-d forbid women are raped.

Then they are flogged and stoned for being raped.

It's disgraceful and adds massive insult to injury.

No one should even pretend to accept that this behavior is OK in any society.

[azurnoir]

22. I never said it was OK

your ingnorance and lack of contact with people from other cultures is however no surprise, if you want to disbelieve my post fine I for one care very little about your opinion

[Vegasaurus]

23. I can spell and have reasonable grammar

because I am well read, if not necessarily well educated.

And, you have absolutely no knowledge of my "contact with people from other cultures", so that ad hominem attack falls flat too.