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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:50 PM
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As British Jews come under attack, the liberal left must not remain silent
It should be perfectly possible to condemn Israel's brutal action in Gaza while taking a stand against antisemitism

Jonathan Freedland
The Guardian,
Wednesday 4 February 2009

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks on September 11 2001 and July 7 2005, a noble impulse seized the British liberal left. Politicians, commentators and activists united to say to their fellow citizens that, no matter how outraged they felt at the loss of civilian life they had just witnessed, they should under no circumstances take out that anger on the Muslim community. Progressive voices insisted that Muslims were not to be branded as guilty by association, just because the killers of 9/11 and 7/7 had been Muslims and had claimed to act in the name of all Muslims.

They urged Britons to be careful in their language, not to generalise from a few individuals to an entire community, to make clear to Britain's Muslims that they were a welcome part of the national life. One week after the 7/7 London attacks, a vast crowd gathered in Trafalgar Square to hear a call for unity led by then mayor Ken Livingstone, who said Londoners should not start looking for "who to blame and who to hate".

It was the right reaction and I am glad that, writing on these pages, I shared it, denouncing the surge in Islamophobia that greeted either a terrorist attack or the revelation of a terror plot. Yet there's been a curious silence in the last few weeks. Once again many are outraged by the loss of civilian life they have witnessed - this time in Gaza. Yet there has been no chorus of liberal voices insisting that, no matter how intense their fury, people must not take out that anger on Britain's Jewish community.

It's worth stating the obvious - that Operation Cast Lead is not 9/11 or 7/7, that Israel is not al-Qaida - and noting that the silence has not been absolute. In a very welcome move, a group of leading Muslims wrote an open letter condemning apparent Gaza-related attacks on Jews. Meanwhile, Labour's Denis MacShane, in a passionate article for Progress magazine, urged those on the left not "to turn criticism of Israel into a condemnation of Jews". Otherwise, it has been eerily quiet. Those who in 2001 or 2005 rapidly spoke out against guilt by association have been mute this time. Yet this is no abstract concern. For British Jews have indeed come under attack.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/04/gaza-jewish-community
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 06:05 PM
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1. That's a good article pointing out the problems with the current line of reasoning
Also, 25 anti-Semitic incidents per day? Scary.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 06:24 PM
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2. it's a very well written piece
Reading the comments both here and at the Guardian website should be - interesting to say the least.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:48 AM
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4. Nearly 10 a day, not 25.
Even that is too many of course!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 06:29 PM
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3. The comparison doesn't hold good.
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 06:42 PM by dipsydoodle
For British Jews have indeed come under attack ? Interesting they quoted an odd instance. Yes - we still get an occasional attack of vandalism on a synagogue but that's invariably by complete nutters for whom nobody can really account.

The vast majority of British Jews were born here and we've all grown up together as have the blacks whose parents came over from the Caribbean mid fifties and the Asians from the '70s influx. It's hardly likely we'd be intolerant of each other due to what's happend elsewhere.

I'm certainly not aware of anyone who'd criticize our homey Jews because of Israels antics. By the same token I'm also not aware of anyone becoming paranoid about our Muslims because of your blowback 9/11.

edit to add :

see this bit : One man was set upon in Golders Green, north London, by two men who shouted, "This is for Gaza", as they punched and kicked him to the ground.

Golders Green / NW11 has been a predominatly Jewish area of north west LOndon for at least 80 years. I grew up in another of the areas, Edgware , which I think has still got the largest synagogue in Europe. The chances of anything happening in NW11 are as such considerably higher than elsewhere in the UK other than maybe Stamford Hill where the Lubaviches hang out. I'd say tht attack mentioned was most likely by nutters too.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:57 AM
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6. Britain certainly isn't as bad as many countries from this point of view
However, there certainly ARE increases in attacks on Muslims after terrorist incidents - perhaps more after the London bombings than 9-11, as the former happened here. It's hard to know how much of this is specific Islamophobia and how much is an excuse for the bigotry against immigrants and their descendants, which is considerably stronger in the UK than any form of religious prejudice. But it doesn't really matter to the victims!

Similarly there is a long tradition in the UK, as everywhere, of antisemitism. A milder form of antisemitism than in many other Europaean countries - but it exists and always has.

The people who attack Jews and Muslims often are nutters, or skinheads, or lager louts; it's fortunately not approved by 'respectable society'. But there are rather too many nutters and skinheads and lager louts!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:32 AM
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11. I find it quite tragic
that the right wing hooligans copied our skinheads who originally just made an anti-mod fashion statement and help bring blacks and whites / rude boys and skins together with Ska and Two Tone / 2 Tone Music. Without them there'd be no Madness, Special AKA, etc. Enjoy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWxvlQ8Zy4
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:15 PM
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14. Well, as you've probably noticed...
one of the best usernames on DU is that of our fellow UK-er non-sociopath-skin!
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 05:53 AM
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9. antisemitic attacks are up throughout Europe
Edited on Thu Feb-05-09 05:57 AM by shira
and the main point of the OP stands. Just eery silence in response by most on the left. A whole-hearted effort is not even being attempted in response to outright RW antisemitism. Could you really say that if violent attacks were spiking against Muslims, the left would remain as eerily silent?

Also, how PC is it to compare Islamist hate propaganda and actions to that of the Nazis? This hateful comparison is made constantly by the hard left WRT Israel, rarely if ever WRT Islamist ideology. In fact, it's the hard right who is constantly denounced for making the Islamist = Nazi comparison. No such denouncement is made against the hard left for using the same analogy.

See the hypocrisy?

So what's really going on?
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 07:33 AM
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12. No, they never see the hypocrisy
a comic of Mohammed causes global Muslim rioting, and it is excused, because, omg, G-d forbid we print a picture of the great prophet.

11 million Muslims being killed by other Muslims?

Everyone looks away.

If some girl is asked to remove her hijab, it's national news.

But desecration of synagogues, outright blatant anti-semitism all over the world?

Politicians claiming Jews "control all the money", or day in day out hatred and anti-semitism across the Arab world?

That is acceptable to "progressives".


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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:12 PM
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13. Frankly, I think both antisemitism and Islamophobia are excused far too often.
Sometimes by different people; but often by the same people.

I have even seen plenty of broadbrush attacks on Muslims on DU, though more often on GD than on this forum (sometimes they come from people who believe everything that they read in the British tabloid press, without realizing that it's our answer to Rush Limbaugh's talk show!)

Unfortunately, left-wing boards often attract some people who are anti-establishment for other than left-wing reasons; and some of them are ready to accept all the "Zionists are running the world/ did 9-11/ own all the banks" conspiracy theories. And of course even real left-wingers can be antisemitic or Islamophobic or both; accepting left-wing views does not always mean shedding all one's pre-existing prejudices.

But I think we should not pit Muslims and Jews against each other, or allow ourselves to be pitted against each other. As I keep saying, minority group members must all hang together or we will all hang separately!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:03 AM
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7. This is about BRITISH JEWS - not Israeli politicians.
Do you ever actually read the articles posted, instead of using any thread as an excuse for an incoherent torrent of abuse?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:51 PM
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19. see post #18
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:55 PM
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20. And?
Proof? Let's say it is so, does this justify DU'ers using homophobic remarks?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:59 PM
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21. his post was deleted
I was commenting on the hasbara urge to conflate anti-homosexuality and Islamic anti-Zionism... I didn't see the post you were replying to as it has been deleted. My mistake.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:02 PM
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22. So just a red herring.
Gotcha. Too bad you missed the post, it was a humdinger.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:23 AM
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10. I would note that this person has been very critical of Israel
And of the action in Gaza.

He recently wrote this Op Ed:

Israel has plenty of tactics for war, but none for peace

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/03/israel-attack-hamas-gaza-peace
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:23 PM
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15. What makes the left vilify Israel?
Even the most moderate support for the Jewish state brings on leftist apoplexy


When I stood down as political editor of the New Statesman at the end of last month, I decided to write my final piece for the magazine about Israel’s military intervention in Gaza.

In my three years at the left-wing publication, I had written regularly of my concerns at the rise of radical Islam in Britain and the growing influence of organisations sympathetic to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood among young Muslim activists. I rarely wrote about Israel/Palestine, but it was not difficult to see that it was a touchstone for NS readers for whom, generally speaking, support for the Palestinian cause is an article of ideological faith.

<snip>

http://www.thejc.com/articles/what-makes-left-vilify-israel
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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:20 PM
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16. Israel is capitalist, religious, a friend of the US, and Jewish. n/t
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:45 PM
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17. some friend
plundering our treasury and using the money to murder and humiliate defenseless civilians, stoking the flames of illegal wars, perverting our national discourse...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:06 PM
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23. 'Perverting your national discourse'?
What does that even mean? And don't you think that America, or any other country, is quite capable of 'perverting its own national discourse'?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:27 PM
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26. perverted vis-à-vis discussions about Tibet, South Africa, China, Bosnia, Natv Americans...
The propaganda pervades every aspect of American life as the killing goes on.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:28 AM
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28. Israel perverts discussions about Tibet, Bosnia, Native Americans?
In what way? And where do you get this information?

And I would say that white Americans did a bloody good job of perverting their own discussions about Native Americans. There was true genocide there, and until very recently it was justified and romanticized by the media. And there was no Israel in the 19th century. Or do you think Andrew Jackson was a secret Zionist?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 10:56 AM
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31. you misunderstood my post
The point was that these other regional civil rights stories can be discussed in depth in the US without the insane schizophrenic head trips that debase I/P debate on all sides. Since you mention Native Americans, I think it's instructive to remember how angry Americans were when the truth about the genocide broke through the official propaganda in the 40s and 50s. The same will happen wrt I/P.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:30 PM
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24. What the heck?
You seriously believe these things?

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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:50 PM
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18. Menachem Begin used "hatred of homosexuals" as a bridge to Jerry Falwell
to launch "Zionist Christianity" in the 70s' The fundie Christian right would never had seen the light of day in the MSM if they weren't useful as extreme expansionist Zionists.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:33 PM
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25. The Zionists are repsonsible for the rise of the Christian right in America?
Is that what you are suggesting?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:28 PM
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27. they were laughable, marginal white trash until discovered as politically useful
by neocon media.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:03 AM
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35. Apart from what RMD posted - is being a neocon really all about Zionism?
Being a neocon, as I understand, means being a foreign policy hawk who is prepared to support militaristic and often imperialist American policies abroad. Some of the original ones were former liberals/Democrats (hence the 'neo' part - indeed their British counterparts are sometimes former communists); and they may or may not be equally right-wing about domestic policies. Tony Blair was a sort of honorary neocon.

Most neocons are Zionist because they regard Israel as a useful ally (or sometimes pawn); but Zionism is not their central motive.

As regards links to the Christian Right: my impression is that these have been found increasingly useful to *Republicans* (a key part of the 'Southern strategy'), rather than specifically to neocons, though the same people are often both.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:10 PM
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36. Neocons were Scoop "The Senator from Boeing" Jackson Dems
fearful that Liberal plans to cut the defense budget (with the window of opportunity provided by anti-Viet Nam War sentiment) would reduce military aid to Israel. They became Republicans. For starters research the Leo Strauss circle at U of Chicago (Noble lies and deadly truths) and Norman Podhoretz, early founts of neoconservatism.


That the Neocons were motivated by an all-consuming Zionism is no longer questioned.


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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:15 PM
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37. Uhhhh?
Henry Jackson was in favour of aggressive military defence for America AND not coincidentally liked the 'military industrial complex' which brought lots of money and jobs to his state; hence the 'Senator from Boeing' label. Zionism was a secondary issue at most for him.

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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:26 PM
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38. Neocons used his hawk stance
for an Israel-centric agenda then moved ever further right. Research it. I agree with the OP and worry about anti-Semitism but hiding your head in the sand or digging up material that supports a point of view that has been dismissed by all serious thinking people won't help.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 10:47 AM
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30. Um, no
The "New Christian Right" became popular and powerful after the Southern Baptists under leaders like Falwell decided that their self-imposed isolation from politics in an attempt to save their souls from the secular world was supposedly allowing liberals to create a society where such isolation would become impossible. At the same time, Republican strategists like Paul Weyrich realized that activating the Southern Baptists and, to a lesser extent, the Mormons, could be their key to kicking Carter out of office. It had nothing to do with Israel.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:01 AM
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32. Their elevation to serious consideration in the higher press
had everything to do with Christian Zionism.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:02 AM
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34. Care to expand on that?
Maybe provide some evidence...
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:02 AM
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33. That article brings up an interesting point I often think about
Why does everybody focus on Israel/Palestine when there are far, far more lethal conflicts happening all over the globe? I mean, we have a whole sub-form here (which is quite active) to discuss this single issue. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, because it's certainly one of pressing concern. However, compare this forum to the number of times anybody on this whole website talks about Darfur, or the Congo War, or the madness of the LRA in Uganda etc. If we're concerned about people being killed, why is there so much discussion of I/P and hardly any about places like Darfur and the Congo?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:39 PM
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39. The argument is very two sided
on the one hand how closely is or did the MSM cover Darfur, the Congo, Sierra Leon, Liberia, Rwanda and well what one factor do all of conflicts have in common? Answer that and you may well have your answer. The African conflicts simply do get the attention nor do the African people have as many supporters or representatives as either the Palestinians or Israeli, when was the last time you read about an African government ot group recruiting an "army of bloggers" to promote their cause?

On the other hand those same conflicts and the argument in article are all too often used as a "look over there" by the proIsraeli side.

BTW with regards to the African conflicts I lost a very good friend and her 2 children in Liberia in 1990 she had been living in the US but her kids and husband were still in Liberia when things took a turn for the worse she returned to bring to bring them to the US the last that was heard from her she had her children and was heading for Monrovia neither she or her kids was ever heard from again
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 06:30 AM
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29. Since the 'discourse' on this thread has become a bit 'perverted' - let's go back to the article!
It's a great and perceptive article and I fully agree that 'It should be perfectly possible to condemn Israel's brutal action in Gaza while taking a stand against antisemitism'

Jonathan Freedland is a good writer IMO.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:16 AM
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40. British diplomat hates the "Fucking" Jews
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/09/british-diplomat-hates-the-fucking-jews/

A British diplomat is on bail after ranting about the “fucking Jews” at a crowded gym in London. The Telegraph picks up the story:

Rowan Laxton, 47, an expert on the Middle East, allegedly shouted “f*****g Israelis” “f*****g Jews” while watching television reports of the Israeli attack on Gaza in the gym.

He is also alleged to have said Israeli soldiers should be “wiped off the face of the earth” during the rant, which was overheard by staff and gym members.

A complaint was made to police and Mr Laxton was arrested for inciting religious hatred through threatening words and behaviour. He was subsequently bailed until late next month.

Just to make it clear that he isn’t some nobody, Laxton’s resume reads: “HM Diplomatic Service (1993-); Deputy Head, South Asia Group, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, London (2007-). Formerly: Deputy Head of Mission, Kabul (2001-03); Head of Chancery, Islamabad (1997-2000).”

I suppose it goes without saying that it is not very reassuring when senior Bristish diplomats are raving antisemites.

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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 07:58 AM
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41. Will you defend Jews?
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/13/will-you-defend-jews/

Many of are increasingly frightened by the growing respectability of jihadist terrorists and anti-semites.

Relationships are being forged between academics, policy makers, and Islamist supporters of genocide. The rationale underpinning these contacts is that if we treat these extremists as moderates, and meet their demands, then they will become allies in the fight against Al Qaeda. In practice, that has meant ignoring and ‘contextualising’ the most atrocious anti-semitism, that is the stock in trade of Islamism.

Strange to tell, but in some quarters, it is more acceptable to be an anti-semite, than to point out anti-semitism in others.

On 23-29 March 2009, the School of Oriental and African Studies is holding a conference on Political Islam. The conference, which costs £1,890, has been ‘convened’ by Dr Khaled Hroub and Dr Sarah Stewart. Khaled Hroub is an academic at Cambridge who refuses to call suicide bombers ‘terrorists’.

There is value in the academic study of Islamism. This conference should certainly take place. However it should not take place without a non-disruptive protest. This is why.

There are two speakers at this conference whose participation should be marked by some action that ensures that attendees are fully aware of the obnoxious nature of their politics.

The first is Dr Ibrahim Moussaoui, a Hezbollah spokesman who was Head of the foreign department at Al-Manar TV, the official media outlet of Hizbullah in Lebanon.

The second is Dr Kamal Helbawy, the senior Muslim Brotherhood officer in the United Kingdom, who now operates from his own Muslim Brotherhood front organisation, which he calls the “Centre for the Study of Terrorism”.

Dr Ibrahim Moussaoui

First of all, Moussaoui must be banned from entering the United Kingdom. It is absurd that a spokesman for a genocidal terrorist organisation should be allowed to enter the United Kingdom freely, while an unpleasant right wing European politician is banned.

Al Manar broadcast the anti-semitic lie that Jews were pre-warned of the 9/11 attacks and escaped death.

You thought that Fitna was bad?

Al Manar’s stock in trade is anti-semitic propaganda. Here is “Diaspora”, a dramatisation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that was first broadcast on Al Manar TV.

Watch this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snRpxeJqJ2Y&eurl=http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/13/will-you-defend-jews/&feature=player_embedded

Don’t watch this clip, if you object to seeing Jews bleeding children, to incorporate their blood into Passover matzohs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53CHUjVWljU&eurl=http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/13/will-you-defend-jews/&feature=player_embedded

Moussoui will, no doubt, have a useful contribution to make to this conference. He can do it by video link.

Write to your MP and to Jacqui Smith and ask the Home Secretary to ban Moussaoui from entering the United Kingdom

Dr Kamal Helbawy

Here is Helbawy (or Helbawi, or Al-Hilbawi) debating the liberal Dr. Nabil Yassin, on the ethics of targeting civilians and children, on the BBC Arabic TV

Dr. Kamal Al-Hilbawi: “I condemn the targeting of any civilian, but incidentally, I believe that every Israeli civilian is a future soldier.”

Interviewer: “He is what?”

Dr. Kamal Al-Hilbawi: “A future soldier.”

Interviewer: “Even if he is two years old?”

Dr. Kamal Al-Hilbawi: “Even if he is a child.

Got that? Helbawy opposes the targeting of civilians. But Israeli kids? Future soldiers!

It is valuable to hear what supporters of terrorism believe. This conference is a great opportunity to put these men on the spot. But they should not do so unopposed, or with honour.

So, what can be done?

I am just one man. This is just a blog. But I believe that many of us are angered by genocidal antisemitism, and horrified at how little is done to stand up against it.

Is there anybody out there who would be prepared to stand outside the conference, in silent protest at these revolting and extreme men? Would any of you pass out leaflets to attendees, so that they are at least informed what these men believe, and what their organisations have done?

Will you pass this message to your friends and colleagues? Will you lobby anti-racist organisations to take action?

Will you defend Jews?
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:29 AM
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43. No, Islamic fundamentalism, racism and anti-semitism towards Jews
calls for "jihad" against Jews, is justified.

Even encouraged (armed resistance that is) by many "progressives".

Who would have thought we would come to a day where terrorists and oppressors and racists and bigots were supported.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:00 AM
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42. Jesus! I’m turning into a Jew!
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/13/jesus-i%e2%80%99m-turning-into-a-jew/

This is a repost of an article by Nick Cohen, that appears today in The JC

My name is Nick Cohen, and I think I’m turning into a Jew. Despite being called “Cohen”, I’ve never been Jewish before. It’s not simply that I am an atheist. My Jewish friends tell me that it is hard to find an educated London Jew who is not an atheist, but that I have no connection with Jewish culture.



The Jewish side of my family is my father’s (which is not a help, I gather). My great grandparents fled from the Tsarist Empire at the time of the pogroms, but their son, my grandfather, revolted. He became a Communist and married outside the faith. My father was brought up with no connection to Judaism and, inevitably, so was I.

My sole interest in Jewish concerns came from being a left-wing opponent of the far Right, and the blood-soaked antisemitic superstitions which turned Europe into a graveyard. When I was young, such attitudes seemed unproblematic. You did not have to be a Jew to oppose fascism; everyone I knew did that regardless of colour or creed.

Today the old certainties have gone because there are two far-right movements: the white neo-Nazi parties that the Left still opposes; and the clerical fascists of radical Islam which, extraordinarily, the modern Left succours and indulges. I am not only talking about Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and their gruesome accomplices in the intelligentsia. Wider liberal society is almost as complicit. It does not applaud the Islamist far Right, but it will not condemn it either. From the broadcasters, through the liberal press, the Civil Service, the Metropolitan Police, the bench of bishops and the judiciary, antisemitism is no longer an unthinkable mental deformation. As long as the conspiracy theories of the counter-enlightenment come from ideologues with dark rather than white skins, nominally liberal men and women will not speak out.

Fight back and you become a Jew, whether you are or not. Mark Lawson recently described an argument at the BBC over the corporation’s decision not to screen the charity appeal for Gaza. His furious colleague declared that the only reason Lawson supported the ban was because he was Jewish. Lawson had to tell him that he was, in fact, raised a Catholic.

A furious Labour MP was no different when he told a colleague of mine that I had gone off the rails when I married a “hard-right” Jewish woman from North London. My friend replied that this would be news to my wife, a liberal Catholic from Stoke-on-Trent.

It was kind of him to point that out, but I would no longer protest that I wasn’t Jewish, and I don’t think Lawson should either. It is cowardly to stammer that you are not a Jew because you concede the racist’s main point — that there is something suspect about being Jewish — as you do it.

In any case, my experience of left-wing antisemitism has changed the way I think and made me, if you like, more Jewish.

Although I want to see every Israeli settlement on the West Bank dismantled, it was clear to me that when Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel it had declared war and had to accept the consequences. I would not have thought that five years ago.

You do not need me to add that mine is a minority point of view among liberals, and that British Jews are living through a very dangerous period. They are the only ethnic minority whose slaughter official society will excuse. If a mass murderer bombed a mosque or black Pentecostal church, no respectable person would say that the “root cause” of the crime was an understandable repulsion at the deeds of al-Qaeda or a legitimate opposition to mass immigration. Rightly, they would blame the criminal for the crime.

If a synagogue is attacked, I guarantee that within minutes the airwaves will be filled with insinuating voices insisting that the “root cause” of the crime was a rational anger at the behaviour of Israel or the Jewish diaspora.

Put like this, the position of British Jewry sounds grim. Remember, however, that the first aim of radical Islam is to subjugate Muslims. When brave feminists, gays, democrats and liberals in the Muslim world and in Britain’s Muslim communities make a stand, they, too, are accused of being the tools of Zionists.

As the struggle between theocracy and liberalism intensifies, I can see some being pushed into taking the same journey I have taken and finding their views towards Judaism and Israel softening as they realise that antisemitism helps drive the fascistic ideologies of the 21st century just as it drove the Nazism of the 20th.

I will tell them that the opponents of totalitarianism must never be frightened. If their enemies say they are Jews, they should shrug and say: “All right, I am.” As long as readers of the Jewish Chronicle don’t object, of course.

Nick Cohen’s latest collection of essays, ‘Waiting for the Etonians: Reports from the Sickbed of Liberal England’, is published this week
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:47 AM
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44. An eyewitness account of this week's aggressive intimidation of Jewish students at York University
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/02/12/an-eyewitness-account-of-this-week-s-aggressive-intimidation-of-jewish-students-at-york-university.aspx


Posted: February 12, 2009, 1:46 PM by Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay
What happened yesterday at York University - a First Hand Account
Written by Jonathan Blake Karoly

On Wednesday, February 11, 2009, I had arrived on campus around 4:00 pm for a 7:00pm class, as I was already in the area. As a way to pass the time on campus I decided to head to the Hillel lounge on campus which is located in the Student Center on campus. For those who do not know York University, the Student Center is a large 4 story building situated in the middle of the campus and along with a food court, it houses all of the religious and cultural groups on campus, and the Hillel itself is situated in the middle of the 4th floor. Anyways, as I arrived at the Hillel I was told that a press conference was to be held on the 3rd floor of the Student Center in regards to the Drop YFS campaign. A campaign where numerous student groups on campus, some of which are Jewish got together and collected signatures from over 10% of the student population, which is somewhere between 40,000 - 50,000 students, in order to impeach the current student government over their support of the union which went on strike in November and effectively locked-out all students on campus for 3 months. The student government on the other hand went on the defensive and stated that the reason why the groups involved with the petition to rid them from office was because we as Jews were upset that they passed a resolution condemning Israel for their action in Gaza. Keep in mind that a large majority of the student government is comprised of students who are pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel supporters. The petition did not come about for that reason, while outside politics should not be something that a student government should concern themselves with during a strike which is keeping students out of classes, the petition came about because of the lack of action and commitment to the students during the strike.

So anyways, the Drop YFS campaign was successful and the required signatures were collected, and as a result of the strike, the local media who is constantly interested with the University and will probably be so for the rest of this school year, were invited to a press conference to talk about the campaign and what was done. The press conference as mentioned earlier was being held in a smaller room in the Student Center that may have had a maximum capacity of 50-60 individuals in a standing room style setting. The press conference was open to any and all students who wished to attend and quickly the room began to fill and when it reached capacity there were still close to 100 more students outside who wanted to come in, and the crowd was growing.

While the next bit of information may seem irrelevant, trust me it is.

Anyways, of those who were inside the room the composition of those inside was a mix of students, there were Jewish students, African Canadian students, South Asian students, Asian students, and Middle Eastern students. As the crowd outside became unruly, it became apparent that the crowd outside were students who would consider themselves pro-Palestinian supporters, and were the same students who opposed the Drop YFS campaign. Of those who were inside the room there was a mixed group of pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian students of which from both groups some were pro-Drop YFS and some were anti-Drop YFS. But with help from some students, the mob was held back at the door for fear of a fire hazard and it was decided that the press conference was to begin.

Also, just before the press conference started, a Middle Easter pro-Palestinian supporter shouted out loud right next to me, "Let the Colored people in." To which an African Canadian student showed her disgust with this comment and stated to a friend of mine that maybe this pro-Palestinian supporter also wants to place them in the back corner as well. And, after this pro-Palestinian supporter made this comment he followed it up with, "Maybe if my friends bleach their skin they'll be let inside." This comment grew equal disgust as the first by the other students standing around him.

Two minutes into the press conference, loud shouts from outside the room of "Let us in!" and "Zionism is racism," with heavy banging on the walls prompted an immediate halt to the press conference, out of fear that the room may be rushed and people may be hurt. A reasonable response for the situation that was occurring outside of this room.

Now let me preface the rest with me saying that I am a big supporter of free speech and I don't care if there students on campus who wish to support Palestine and even shout anti-Israel slogans but with what happened next went a step beyond free speech and what was said and the actions taken by this individuals bordered on hate speech and discrimination.

As the room was letting out numerous students with cameras, as well as media present, were taking pictures of what was going on outside of the room where the press conference was being held. I myself who always has a camera and likes taking pictures of these types of events proceeded to do the same. The Middle Eastern student who was shouting the racial slurs earlier stepped in front of where I was taking pictures/videos of what was occurring and when he realized what I was doing, and I believe it was only because I was wearing my Yarmulke (Jewish skull cap), he told me that if I take his picture, that he will take my camera and smash it. He only issued this threat to me and no other student so I believe I am fair to state that this threat to break my camera was only done so because I was Jewish and that I am therefore guilty due to association.

So as the Jewish students proceeded up the stairs to the Hillel lounge the crowd that gathered proceeded to shout anti-Israel slogans at us such as "Zionism is Racism." To which I did not care because like I said, in the nature of free speech, each person is entitled to it, and did not think anything of it. And, about ten minutes later is when things began to grow really ugly.

As the mob did not disperse, on the third floor, a worker in the Hillel decided that it was best to lock the door of the Hillel, and only let the Jewish students inside until the crowd thinned out, just to be on the safe side. Not thinking that anything was going to happen, the students in the Hillel lounge went about there typical business, sitting around and doing school work. Ten minutes passed, and before anyone realized what was happening, the mob that was outside the press conference on the third floor was outside the Hillel office on the fourth floor. The students outside of the Hillel were shouting louder their anti-Israel slogans and banging on the floor and walls so hard that the lights outside the Hillel were flickering. As the students in Hillel began to grow uneasy and the feeling of being safe was diminishing, York security was called in to try and help break up the crowd but as any student who has been to York knows, the campus security is severely limited on the force that they can use and they were unable to break up the crowd. And, as a result we were encouraged by Hillel staff to call the Toronto Police to help disperse the crowd. Some students who had the local non-emergency number called that one but as panic was setting in with other students some called 911 as they were truly scared for their safety.

Just as Toronto Police were arriving on campus, one pro-Palestinian student stood at the glass door of the Hillel, visible to the students in the Hillel, with his Kaffeiyah scarf pulled all the way up to his eyes. This is a tactic used by terrorist organizations such as Hamas and al-Qaeda to intimidate others, and quite frankly I was completely taken off-guard by the sight of this student and at that point fear began to trickle into me as well. This is something that goes beyond free speech and being anti-Israel and is tantamount to racism and discrimination. As the police arrived they stated that in a situation like this there is nothing they can do as they did not feel that there was an actual threat of violence, however, it was their belief that the possibility remained. They then told us that because they could not stand watch at the door all night, that it was highly recommended that we vacate the lounge immediately and they would assist us with safe passage through the crowd so as to prevent anything from occurring. And as 20 Jewish student walked single file through this unruly mob, they were pointing, laughing and chanting that we were "Racists on Campus!"

The interesting thing is this, while all of this occurred, primarily because of the press conference, there was media present watching all of this. Of the three members of the press present one was the Excalibur, the largest campus newspaper, whose editorial board tends to be considered slightly pro-Palestinian, a smaller college affiliated paper was there and The Globe and Mail was there, which is a Canadian national newspaper. All three especially the national newspaper but more interestingly, the campus newspaper showed their complete disgust with what happened outside both the press conference and the Hillel.

Now, the sad thing about all of this. York University just resumed last week after being on strike for three months to which they had nothing but bad press and a 15% decline in applications for the upcoming school year, and they are working hard in improving their reputation in the public eye. Also, they don't want anymore bad press before their 50th anniversary celebrations which are to be held in about one months time. It is becoming very visible on campus that the university will do anything to avoid anymore bad press, even if it means to sweep situations like these under the rug, which they have begun doing. I believe that if the university does not take action soon, things on campus may get seriously out of control. There is no reason why anybody ,no matter their race, religion, gender and so on, should ever feel threatened on a public university campus. And the actions seen at York today is done so because the administration has turned a blind eye on this conflict for well over 5 years already. It should not take something as serious as someone getting hurt before York should step in, I believe that there is no reason for them to step in now to stop this conflict before someone actually does get hurt.



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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:17 AM
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45. Howard Jacobson: Let’s see the 'criticism' of Israel for what it really is
I was once in Melbourne when bush fires were raging 20 or 30 miles north of the city. Even from that distance you could smell the burning. Fine fragments of ash, like slivers of charcoal confetti, covered the pavements. The very air was charred. It has been the same here these past couple of months with the fighting in Gaza. Only the air has been charred not with devastation but with hatred. And I don’t mean the hatred of the warring parties for each other. I mean the hatred of Israel expressed in our streets, on our campuses, in our newspapers, on our radios and televisions, and now in our theatres.


A discriminatory, over-and-above hatred, inexplicable in its hysteria and virulence whatever justification is adduced for it; an unreasoning, deranged and as far as I can see irreversible revulsion that is poisoning everything we are supposed to believe in here – the free exchange of opinions, the clear-headedness of thinkers and teachers, the fine tracery of social interdependence we call community relations, modernity of outlook, tolerance, truth. You can taste the toxins on your tongue.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/howard-jacobson/howard-jacobson-let8217s-see-the-8216criticism8217-of-israel-for-what-it-really-is-1624827.html
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:18 AM
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46. The writing is on the synagogue wall
The periodic crises that have shaken world capitalism in the century and a half since Marx wrote Das Kapital are marked by a common political phenomenon. It is the rise of political anti-Semitism. Attacks on Jews and Jewishness constitute the canary in the coal mine that tells us something is going seriously wrong.

Last month a 32-year-old IT worker, Michael Booksatz, was beaten up in the streets of north London by two hooded men shouting about Palestinians. Jewish students at the London School of Economics - home to many brilliant Jews who fled Hitler's Germany - are now frightened by anti-Jewish abuse from Islamist students. Graffiti such as “Kill the Jews” or “Jihad 4 Israel” appear close to synagogues in London.

The Metropolitan Police report four times as many anti-Jewish incidents in recent weeks as Islamaphobic events. The respected Community Security Trust, which records anti-Jewish attacks with scrupulous rigour, reports as many attacks on Jews - verbal, vandalism and some violent - in the first weeks of 2009 as in the first six months of last year.

As the world enters a new era of crisis, anti-Semitism is back. History, as ever, begins to repeat itself. The slumps and stock market fever expressed in Zola's novel, L'Argent, or the populist anger against Wall Street at the end of the 19th century gave rise to the virulent anti-Semitic politics witnessed in France in connection with the Dreyfus case or the takeover of Vienna by openly anti-Semitic politicians. The Great Depression gave rise to the worst expressions of anti-Semitism ever seen, namely the politics that led to the Holocaust. But even in Britain the Duke of Wellington of the time was leader of a secret anti-Jewish organisation which had the initials PJ - Perish Judah - on its letterhead.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article5740603.ece
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:59 AM
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48. When the economy sours people always blame the Jews
The rise of Hitler is a prime example.

Bernie Madoff is the current example, as well as the names of many Wall Street bankers.

It goes right back to "the Jews control the money supply" or

"Jews have too much money", etc.

The latest financial crisis is being blamed on Jews, with Israel being the scapegoat.

Anti-semitism is only going to get worse, as the world collapses.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:20 AM
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47. Irwin Cotler: The New Anti-Semitism
Reflecting on the contemporary surge in anti-Semitism, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel has stated, "I have not felt the way I feel now since 1945. I feel there are reasons for us to be concerned, even afraid ... Now is the time to mobilize the efforts of all of humanity." This sentiment is what brings together parliamentarians from around the world, for the first conference of the International Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism.

What we are witnessing today is a new sophisticated, virulent and even lethal anti-Semitism, reminiscent of the atmospherics of the 1930s, and without parallel since the end of the Second World War. This new anti-Jewishness found early juridical expression in the United Nations' "Zionism is Racism" resolution, but has gone beyond that. Traditional anti-Semitism is the discrimination against, denial of or assault upon the rights of Jews to live as equal members of whatever host society they inhabit. The new anti-Semitism involves discrimination against the right of the Jewish people to live as an equal member of the family of nations -- the denial of, and assault upon, the Jewish people's right even to live -- with Israel as the "collective Jew among the nations."

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http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/02/17/irwin-cotler-the-new-anti-semitism.aspx
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:03 AM
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49. Antisemitism at highest level since WWII, conference hears
Antisemitism has reached levels unparalled since the end of the Second World War, a London conference heard on Tuesday.

Synagogues have been burnt, threatening graffiti daubed on buildings, verbal threats shouted across the street and hate emails sent, the 100 policymakers from nearly 40 countries attending the first London Conference for Combating Antisemitism were told.

The rise in antisemitism has been a feature of the past 35 years, Irwin Cotler, once counsel to Nelson Mandela and the former Canadian minster of justice and attorney general, told delegates.

But it is now a “new sophisticated, globalising, virulent and even lethal antisemitism, reminiscent of the atmospherics of the 30s, and without parallel or precedent since the end of the Second World War”, Cotler said.

Earlier this year, frigures from the Community Security Trust, a charity working to protect Jews in the UK, recorded 541 antisemitic incidents in Britain in 2008, the third highest annual total since it began recording incidents in 1984.

In Germany, a Jewish cemetary is desecrated once a week on average, Petra Pau, vice-president of the Bundestag said.

Natan Sharansky, former deputy prime minister of Israel, said the situation in Europe had become worse during the past couple of years, especially the past year.

Jason Kenney, minister of citizenship, immigration and multiculturalism in Canada, described how he had walked through the building where Rabbi Gavriel Holzberg and his wife Rivkah were tortured and slaughtered during the Mumbai attacks last year.

“As I later looked out on Mumbai…I marvelled to think that in this huge, teeming city of 20 million the killers had meticulously, deliberately sought out to target this one rather obscure, peaceful place, and this particular man and his family,” he said.

“Why did they do so? Because and only because they were Jews, and as such because they represented all the Jews.”

Antisemitic incidents have also been on the rise in Canada, up 11 percent in 2007 on the previous year, reflecting a doubling of the numbers reported during the past five years.

Cotler said there was a new antisemitism which overlapped the classical antisemitism, but was distinguishable from it.

While the goal of the old antisemitism was to rid the world of Jews, now it was to rid the world of the state of Israel, he said.

This genocidal antisemitism is practised on different levels including the state-sanctioned and state orchestrated level, terrorist movement level, and from the mosques and the media.

Last December’s incursion by Israeli forces into Gaza has seen a spike in attacks, the delegates, which included Jews and non-Jews, heard.

The Community Security Trust was reported as saying 250 antisemitic incidents in the four weeks after the military operation began compared with 27 incidents during the same period last year.

Pau said she was deeply concerned that some people who took part in peace demonstrations used antisemitic language while trying to promote the interests of the Palestinians.

“What is totally unacceptable is that Israeli policy is compared with Nazi policy,” she said through an interpreter.

While Israel is not above the law and must be held accountable for any violations of international law or human rights, people must differentiate between the politics of Israel and antisemitism, the conference heard.

Screening virulent anti-semitic messages on the Internet was one of the ways governments could attempt to stifle the rise, the delegates agreed in a joint declaration.

“The Internet, the globalisation of the media, a resurgence of the extreme right and an anti-Zionist hard left have combined to create a febrile environment, in which the spread of old and new anti-semitic theories and attitudes have been able to gain traction with alarming ease,” John Mann, a British policymaker and chair of the conference said.

Better education was another tool, especially in keeping the memory of the Holocaust alive as the number of survivors dwindles.

This is made more difficult in multi-cultural societies where children from different ethnic backgrounds ask “What has the Holocaust got to do with me?”

We must also not forget the growing number of victims of Islamophobia, said Andre Azoulay, a Jew who is counsellor to King Mohammed VI of Morocco.

“For me, the Israel-Palestinian issue is politic, antisemitism is ethic,” he said.

“I cannot just open my eyes to see that there is antisemitism and close my eyes where there is Islamophobia.”

http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2009/02/17/antisemitism-at-highest-level-since-wwii-conference-hears/
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