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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 09:24 AM Original message |
Can Hamas be Trusted? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. Does it matter to at least talk with them? It is what it is - Hamas IS in charge of Gaza. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Notionally and hopefully temporarily |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. I don't trust the Israeli government |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Read the Hamas charter and you will see they intend to remain in power beyond any "western media " |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. So then, more of the same. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The government of Hamas has an expressed goal |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I hope you will admit that it is their land. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What's wrong with wanting to retake Palestine? |
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TimesSquareCowboy (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
108. Resettlement and reparations have to be at the top of the list of issues. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #108 |
125. Plus, an apology for driving all those Palestinians out of their homes and off THEIR lands. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Typical misinformation |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. but they refuse to sit at the same table and do not recognize Israel....what kind of misinformation |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. More of the same |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Hamas has offered a Hudna or long term truce but not a peace proposal n/t |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. It has been called many things, but technically you are correct. |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Their leadership has expressed themselves openly many times. The top leaders Meshal, Haniya as |
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delad (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. quoting wikipedia selectively is |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
157. Its not selective at all. Its what they said and have always said. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 05:32 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Do you truly believe Israel hasn't had enough the past 20 yrs... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Red herring after straw-man argument... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. to answer your questions |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You assume that 10% of Palestinians are violent |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Read more carefully |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
72. How do you figure out what percent of Palestinians are "hostiles?" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
117. even if 0.1%.....that's still a lot |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. to add |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #122 |
126. The only building in the West Bank is settlements and the Separation Wall |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #126 |
134. are you serious? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Of course the WB is better off than Gaza, but by how much? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #117 |
124. You are throwing out some random nonsense |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 05:16 AM Response to Reply #124 |
135. you're BS is being proven wrong and now you're just embarassing yourself |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. You know nothing of diplomacy, do you? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 04:37 AM Response to Reply #137 |
148. I know that you make unfounded claims, peddle them as truth... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #135 |
151. you KNOW perfectly well that is NOT true |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. I have a 1st hand account of the situation that calls your version BS |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
66. Whereas Israel has signed a peace proposal, yet expanded settlements exponentially. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. No. They have not offered even one. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Are you so naive to think that after 20 years of a hudna |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. would this hudna for 20 years |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. What would Palestinians have to hate |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. are you kidding? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. You are confusing European anti-Semitism with Palestinian Nationalism |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
120. wow, are you misinformed |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #120 |
128. What are the Israeli reasons? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. well, okay... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. Cognitive dissonance is something both sides suffer from |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. The extremists who were the 9/11 terrorists |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Careful, your racism is showing! |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. You mention Iraq and Afganistan |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Perhaps I should have been more detailed |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #139 |
155. how is it.....that you know so much of what could/should have happened? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #155 |
158. It is called cause and effect. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. i got logic... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Polls have advanced a bit in 60 years, you know... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. The existence of Israel |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Hamas is also |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. What does your vision for a peace plan look like? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I wouldn't want the job |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I do not see other of your options coming to pass |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I know that the 1st option |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Even Sari Nussebeh was jailed by the Israelis for several months accused of being a terrorist by |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
113. Sari Nussebeh better represents Palestinians than Hamas/Fatah |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
161. Imagine being a native Palestinian, and being forced to deal with it. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. True, but they would be marginalized greatly |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
92. Very interesting comment nt |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. it does go back a long ways |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Avi Shlaim is definitely not a Zionist |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Zionism today is not like it was before |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. According to your definition of the word. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The definition you use justifies racism towards an entire ethnicity |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. No, it doesn't. If you think so, then, you know what to do. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. All forms of nationalism is inherently racist |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You are confusing things again. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Can't go three messages without a "prove it" eh, BTA? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I would if you and those like you would stop making up bullshit and expect to be taken as fact. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Perhaps I should have said "you and those like you?" |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. So, baseless accusations again from you? How surprising! |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Did I not already answer that question? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Then why "fight" for a "Palestinian" homeland? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Why do you dodge the question? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Why side with the creation of a Palestinian homeland? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Who doesn't have a homeland in this equation? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. "[i]Why would you deny them that right,[/i]" |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. [i]Prove it[i] |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. How sad for you. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. As usual, you have nothing substantive to bring the the argument |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. See, mockery. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Perhaps in your mind you did |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Perhaps you just couldn't grasp it. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. My apologies oh masterful wordsmith but, no you didn't. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Asked and answered. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. No further questions. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Of course not. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Narrative? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The story you have concocted. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Does Israel not think so? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I have no clue. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Personal insults get you nowhere, BTA |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. This coming from you?! |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #80 |
130. Capitalism IS inherently racist |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #130 |
156. That is a whole bunch of hooey. Capitalism is not inherently racist nor is it |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Yeah, where do think you got those safety nets from and why are they there? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
110. Be that as it may, Avi Shlaim is not a Zionist |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #68 |
132. I hope yr not a Zionist either, Oberliner... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #132 |
150. thank you for pointing out the facts Violet.. Avi Shlaim IS A Zionist and anyone who has read his |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 05:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
136. you know when someone has to claim "this person is a zionist", etc.... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. Talk about naive. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. They won't be in power if the oppresion ends |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. tell that to the iranians...... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. If the US didn't install the Shah |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
123. i m not much on predicting the future or past....i'm impressed that you can.... |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #123 |
129. You fail to see the point |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #129 |
145. How can you be so certain of that? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Just by numbers, it is certinaly within the realm of possibility |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 04:49 AM Response to Reply #146 |
149. you did it again - proven wrong, can't come to grips with reality |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. How do you "prove" someone wrong with a question? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Stop lying about that |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Read the Fatah charter says the same thing |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Got tht link to the Fatah charter ? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Here you go |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Many people don't realize |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
62. That is not the reason |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. No, they wouldn't |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
111. They have said so repeatedly |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Just so long as it wouldn't come from Israeli lands, you forget to add |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. What other lands would it come from? |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. If certain people in the government had their way |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Well that isn't what Livni and Kadima say |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. You just reminded me of something I forgot to do! |
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Traveling_Home (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Didn't they conduct some kind of coup following the election -> sent Fatah packing? nt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Not quite. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. yes, they did execute those Fatah stragglers who stayed behind |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Thanks to Israel, Hamas's popularity is much higher than what it was |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Thats what you have been reading so it must be true |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Are you saying that AP/Haaretz/JPost is pro-Hamas now? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. more about the coup |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Yes it was, though there are some twists to it. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. No it is not Gaza by itself is not recognized as a separate nation by anyone |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. De facto, since the palestinian civil war, Gaza is separate. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Your story misses several key points... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. CSA - bad analogy |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-10-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
69. Fatah was elected - the Hamas success in the legislative elections did not affect the presidency |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Yes. It can be trusted to position rocket launchers between |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. The real question should be: Can ISRAEL be trusted? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Hamas true to its word? Laughable. To its nature, yes |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Now that's funny. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Another scholar! Just what we need here. More "experts." |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You're giving me too much credit as an expert....Anyone, and |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
127. So does the IDF, as any Palestinian in the Territories can tell you. |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
26. You have to convince both parties here that peace is a common good |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
38. Collin Powell and several other prominent mainstream leaders support dialogue with Hamas |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. the former Israeli Foreign Minister on talks with Hamas |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I strongly support dialogue with Hamas. But the crucial question is.. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. usually this sort of thing begins with indirect contacts with meetings which |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You are right about covert negotiations |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #44 |
131. Bear in mind who signed the Wye Accords n/t |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #131 |
140. That is no real accomplishment |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. But Hamas has stated repeatedly and recently |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-09-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. in the lead up to the Good Friday agreement, Sein Fein was all over the place in their positions |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 04:22 AM Response to Original message |
147. They are headed |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-12-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
152. Of course not, but it can and should be gambled on. |
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