Lieberman supports creation of a 'viable Palestinian state'

[GoesTo11]

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Israel Beiteinu leader Avigdor Lieberman told Jewish Week on Thursday that he advocates the establishment of a Palestinian state.

In an article published by the paper, Lieberman wrote that while he wants "the state of Israel to remain a Zionist, Jewish and democratic state," he supported the "creation of a viable Palestinian state."

[DesertFlower]

1. i think most israeli's feel the same way.

a person can be pro-israel without being anti-palestinian.

[MUAD_DIB]

2. Isn't Lieberman a hard liner?

[DesertFlower]

3. even hard liners

have to recognize that the palestinians have a right to a state. that's the only way there can be peace.

[oberliner]

6. Different kind of hard liner than Likud

Likud argues against the creation of a Palestinian state.

Lieberman and his party Yisrael Beiteinu argue for the creation of a Palestinian state and the relocation of the Israeli Arabs to that state.

[regnaD kciN]

4. "And that viable Palestinian state is, of course..."

"...Jordan."

[LeftishBrit]

5. Yes, so that he can dump all the Israeli Arabs on it!

[azurnoir]

10. That's the part that gets left out n/t

[geckosfeet]

7. ,,, meaning two olive farmers on a small patch of land surrounded by kibutz's.

Lierman showed us all we need to know when he campaigned with McLame.

[henank]

8. You do know that there are more

than one Lieberman in the world?

[geckosfeet]

9. Now I do.

:blush:

[pelsar]

11. a little clarification...seems theres is a bit of confusion here....

some of the posters here, if they are interested in what is actually happening in terms of the politics of the I/P conflict, will have to leave their preconceived and ethnocentric definitions behind, in their own countries.

Lieberman is a secular/nationalistic/liberal politician....that combo is what defines his views. I realize for many here who define their world in 2 dimension: right and left, will have a hard time defining him, hence the comments i read above.


First of all hes secular: that means civil marriages, civil rights,etc - that means some posters here agree with him

hes for a Palestinians state in the west bank/gaza...- .another thing posters here will agree with him on.

National service for everyone, including the religious and non jews ....- many here will agree with him



where is the difference?..he doesnt trust the arabs in israel and basically demands a "loyalty oath" and if they wont/cant, then kick them out (not very liberal of him).

at least judge the guy on what he actually believes as opposed to the simplistic "right/left" view that one has in other countries.

(i guess this is where i put in my opinion...i dont like the guy personally, nor his lack of tolerance,hes more of the "ends justifies the means" kind of person-at the sametime if hes in the govt he wont be kicking the arab israelis out). Netanyaho is actually more to the right politically in terms of the west bank that he is.....

[ProgressiveMuslim]

13. So Pelsar, did he get your vote?

I'm asked all the time to prove I'm not a Hamas lover.

Did you vote for ol' Avi?

[pelsar]

14. no i didnt vote for him...

to much of his 'facist" tendencies for my taste.....i voted for barak/labor.....its was more of a internal political vote: hoping that the three parties will get together and fix the present system.....

but i do understand your question...as it pertains to your explanations of what hamas is and what it isnt.....the middle east politics dont always translate to the simpler western versions of it.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

12. J Street Response: On shared values and Avigdor Lieberman

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Posted by: Jeremy Ben-Ami | February 26th, 2009 11:34 am
Avigdor Lieberman’s op-ed in the Jewish Week on shared values between Israel and the United States is as genuine as a Bernie Madoff lecture on business ethics.

Let’s set the record straight: Avigdor Lieberman has advocated transferring Israeli Arab citizens out of Israel. He wants to ask current citizens of Israel to take a loyalty oath. He campaigned on a platform that only he “understands Arabic” and that there should be “no citizenship without loyalty.” There is no doubt what he meant and who he’s targeting.

Lieberman gets one thing right: the strong and historic Israeli-US relationship has been based on shared values and interests. But his values are not my values – neither as an American nor as a Jew.

It is his electoral rise and platform that threaten to shake the very pillars on which that relationship is built.

The American Jewish community must not countenance an effort to whitewash Avigdor Lieberman and his policies.

As Rabbi Eric Yoffie wrote in a recent Forward op-ed, Lieberman ran “an outrageous, abominable, hate-filled campaign, brimming with incitement that, if left unchecked, could lead Israel to the gates of hell.” To those in this community who may try to dress this wolf in sheep’s clothing, Yoffie added this warning:

For all those who claim to speak and lobby on our behalf, who fight antisemitism whenever it appears, and who champion Jewish rights everywhere, this is a moment of truth. If we are silent or speak the language of equivocation, we will weaken rather than strengthen Israel’s cause…. We do not make excuses for the haters, the bigots and the demagogues who incite against Jews and other minorities around the world, and we must not make excuses when the inciter is one of our own.

Yoffie is absolutely right - Avigdor Lieberman’s politics threaten Israel’s moral authority and threaten to undermine a strong Israel-US friendship based on shared values and shared strategic interests.

http://www.jstreet.org/blog/?p=174