Lieberman's party proposes ban on Arab Nakba

[Donald Ian Rankin]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085588.html

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's party wants to ban Israeli Arabs from marking the anniversary of what they term "the Catastrophe" or Nakba, when in 1948 some 700,000 Arabs lost their homes in the war that led to the establishment of the state of Israel.

The ultranationalist Yisrael Beitenu party said it would propose legislation next week for a ban on the practice and a jail term of up to three years for violators.

"The draft law is intended to strengthen unity in the state of Israel and to ban marking Independence Day as a day of mourning," said party spokesman Tal Nahum.

The initiative could fuel racial tensions stoked by Lieberman's February election campaign call to make voting or the holding of public office in Israel contingent on pledging loyalty to the Jewish state.

Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel's population, said the allegiance demand was aimed at them and accused Lieberman of racism.

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[Howardx]

1. "accused Lieberman of racism"

supporting racists is very progressive.

[RaleighNCDUer]

2. Huh? nt

[azurnoir]

3. Intended to strenghthen in Israel?

More BS from Yisrael Beitenu, it is a "loyalty" test of sorts, it will unify "loyal" Israeli's
In the US many Native Americans fast on Thanksgiving

[IndianaGreen]

4. After all, Israeli Arabs are not real citizens, and have different identity cards

What we got here is racism at its rawest.

[henank]

5. Israeli Arabs have the same ID cards as Jewish or Christian Israelis.

n/t

[ProgressiveMuslim]

9. Do Israeli ID cards state religion on them?

If so, then "all Israelis" don't really have the same ID cards, do they?

[oberliner]

10. No they do not

All Israelis have the same ID cards.

[Sezu]

11. man you sure know how to spoil a pity party. n/t

[shaayecanaan]

13. Yes, they do

The National ID card for Jews has the Hebrew year as well as the CE year. The National ID Registry still classifies citizens in four categories, Jewish, Arab, Druze and Circassian.

[oberliner]

15. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that all Arabs are of the same religion

Which, of course, they are not.

There is nothing on an ID card that would differentiate a Christian from a Muslim.

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. this is from Wiki regarding Israeli I.D. cards and religious differentiation

Question of ethnicity

Prior to 2005 Israeli Identity Cards included a reference to the bearer's ethnic group. The official term for this category in Hebrew was le'om and it was officially translated into Arabic as qawm, These terms can be translated into English as "nation", but in the sense of ethnic affiliation rather than citizenship. The le'om attribution was assigned by the ministry of the interior regardless of the card bearer's preference. There were several attributions, the main ones being: Jewish, Arab, Druze and Circassian. Identity Cards issued before 2005 included a disclaimer written in small print in Hebrew and Arabic indicating that the card may serve as a prima facie proof for the data it includes except le'om, marital status and the spouse's name.

There have been some fierce legal battles about identifying the ethnicity of the bearer in the Israeli Identity card. As of 2005 , the ethnicity has not been printed; a line of eight asterisks appears instead. In 2002 , the Supreme Court of Israel instructed the Interior Ministry to indicate the ethnicity of people who underwent a Reform conversion as Jews. The Minister at the time, Eli Yishai, a member of Shas, an Orthodox party, decided he would drop the ethnicity category altogether, rather than list as Jews people whom he considered non-Jews. In 2004, the Supreme Court denied a citizen's petition to reinstate this indicator, stating that the field in the document was meant for statistical collection only, and not as a declarative statement of Judaism.

Currently, whether a citizen is Jewish or non-Jewish can in some cases be determined by checking whether the Hebrew date of birth appears in addition to the civil date. The state's registration which serves as the basis for the data in the Identity Cards still indicates the ethnicity of each person, and this information is available upon request in certain circumstances determined by the registration law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teudat_Zehut

Document contents

The card is laminated and held in one of the two inner compartments of its plastic cover, and includes the following personal details:

unique number, called Identity Number

full name (surname/last name, given name)

name of father

name of mother

date of birth (both civil and — for Jews—the Hebrew date as well)

place of birth

ethnicity (only in cards issued before 2005, but the Hebrew date of birth still differentiates Jews from non-Jews)

gender

place and date of issue (both Gregorian and Hebrew date)

portrait photo (in color)

There is also a separate document appendix, a folded paper contained in the other inner compartment, listing the following:

current address

previous addresses

previous name(s)

citizenship (the bearer may be a permanent resident with a foreign citizenship)

name and Identity number of spouse and children

electoral polling station stamp: the appendix used to be stamped at the polling station to help prevent ballot stuffing. This regulation is abolished since 1992, so that the voter may now use an ID card without an appendix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teudat_Zehut

[oberliner]

16. Nothing here that would distinguish between a Christian and a Muslim

It is true that one could tell who is Jewish from an Israeli ID card, but it does not make the ID card functionally different in any respect.

One presumably could, in many cases, make that same determination based on the person's appearance.

What could a person with an Israeli ID card with a Hebrew date of birth do that a person with an Israeli ID card without a Hebrew date of birth could not? (other than get married by a Rabbi)

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. quite frankly within the Middle East - one can almost always tell Christian from Muslim

by the name -

But I cannot blame that on any particular form of I.D. card of any country.

Though the practice of including a Hebrew birth date for Jews only would certainly stand out.

Certainly the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship I have talked to - do feel they are treated very differently when dealing with bureaucracy or law enforcement. But it would take more than just a change in I.D. card birth dates to change that.

[oberliner]

19. As I'm sure African-Americns often feel differently in the US when dealing with law enforcement

And certainly a police officer in the US can usually tell if someone is African-American without looking at their driver's license.

There are issues with discrimination in just about every country in the world, but as far as Israeli ID cards go, they are all functionally the same.

That individual Israeli law enforcement officials may treat people differently is not a function of their ID cards.

[shira]

7. aren't you the one claiming similar views to Lieberman regarding AIPAC'ers with

"dual loyalties"?

Isn't it enough that the clown you celebrate on your avatar was a rabid antisemite?

[shaayecanaan]

14. The avatar looks like Marx to me...

I cant think why you would portray him as a "rabid antisemite", particularly given that he was Jewish.

[oberliner]

17. Being Jewish and being a rabid antisemite are not mutual exclusive

See Bobby Fischer.

Bobby Fischer: "Jews were always bastards throughout history. They are liars, they are the worst pieces of shit in the world."

[shira]

20. please do some research on Marx, maybe google anti semite with his name

Israel Shahak was a textbook example of a Jewish anti-semite.

[henank]

6. Hamas bans Naqba marches in Gaza

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=windows-1256&langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.palpress.ps/arabic/index.php%3Fmaa%3DReadStory%26ChannelID%3D55274&tbb=1&rurl=translate.google.com

Seething in 3... 2... 1....

[Violet_Crumble]

21. None of yr links work...

I figure if I'm the first to point this out, others must have gotten sick of in the past clicking on links you've posted only to find they don't support what you say...

Anyway, here's a link that does work:

Only 2,000 turn out for Gaza Nakba Day march held by Hamas

What was that you were saying about the Nakba March being banned?

[LeftishBrit]

8. Lieberman is just disgusting...

it's awful when far-RW-ers get ANY sort of influence in government.