Israeli commandos in Honduras

[subsuelo]

Israeli Commandos with Experience in Palestine and Colombia are Training the Honduran Armed Forces

Tegucigalpa – August 2, 2009 – We’re facing the COPEMH building, which is the professional association for middle education, and we also are speaking with Dr. René Andrés Pavón, who is the President of the Honduran Human Rights Commission (CODEH).

Dick Emanuelsson (DE): Yesterday CODEH put out a news release denouncing a variety of things, among them that Micheletti’s de facto government has contracted with Israeli commandos or people to train the Honduran military/police forces. What we know from the civil war in Colombia is that these commandos have also been advising the Colombian military forces. What are the Israelis doing here?

Andrés Pavón (AP): Until now what we know is that their mission is to prepare the Armed Forces and the police to aggressively and violently dissuade the demonstrations, by committing crimes of a selective nature in order to build fear, staged terror, and achieve a dismantling of the resistance. Other actions they are undertaking involve certain employees of private security firms putting on police uniforms and acting aggressively against the demonstrators. The police have already sort of been trained to dissuade demonstrations and are a bit fearful about attacking the demonstrators so that it’s as if a bit of their human rights training lingers. On the other hand, the security guards are being paid double and their immunity is guaranteed. These are the practices that they are developing, using the experience of the conflict in Palestine and after having put into practice some of these actions in Colombia.

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Another strategy is that the Israelis are training a group to instill in people’s minds the idea that those of us who are leaders in this movement have a terrorist past or that we’re tied to the same structure as the police. That’s what somebody told me yesterday who was trying to put up posters, sticking them on walls in order to create distrust in the part of the population that still lacks awareness about the leaders in this country. According to them, they want the people to think that way; it’s a historic strategy in Latin America, and later they try to justify the death of certain leaders as a result of this contradiction.

http://machetera.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/israeli-commandos-in-honduras/">Machetera - full story

[Lithos]

1. Interesting...

But I think there is a bit of hyperbole here. Besides the fact that this story overlooks the fact that Hondursas takes training from the US and Canada, the Israeli commandos who trained Colombian personnel were former members of the Israeli military (ie private citizens). While I know that Israel is a major supplier of military hardware to Latin America, this is hardly unique as Israel also supplies quite a few other countries including India.

L-

[subsuelo]

2. hyperbole? perhaps...

A couple things though - 1) I think machetera would assume it's readers are well aware of US training still going on in Honduras, although not being associated with machetera, I can't say for certain.

2) I haven't found this story posted anywhere else. So if *not* for this interview with the president of the Honduran Human Rights Commission, how else would we have any awareness of Israeli involvement?

3) The bigger issue - why is Israel lending support to an undemocratic military coup regime? (which it sounds like it's getting more out of control in Honduras as of yesterday's reports)

How can both the U.S. and Israel talk seriously about being for democracy when clearly they are lending crucial support to a very undemocratic government?

[IndianaGreen]

3. The answer to #3 is easy: Israel also supported apartheid South Africa

lots of stories involving nuclear weapons, Israel and South Africa.

[Lakrosse]

8. stories, just that

little actual corroboration. Also, France did help SA build reactors in the first place. Are they evil too? Is the US evil?

Also, what about apartheid USSR, do you ever criticize that? A Russian minority ruling in each non-Russian majority countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, and Kazakhstan. Also, Russians in the USSR as a whole were likely a minority, which were all part of the sovereign Bolshevik entity. So Lenin, the guy on your avatar, supported and practiced apartheid.

[IndianaGreen]

11. You sound like one of those crazy rightwing Miami Cubans

They thought that Nixon was a communist for going to China.

[bemildred]

12. THE THIRD TEMPLE'S HOLY OF HOLIES: ISRAEL'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS

Warner D. Farr, LTC, U.S. Army

The Counterproliferation Papers

Future Warfare Series No. 2

USAF Counterproliferation Center

Air War College

Air University

Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama

September 1999

The Counterproliferation Papers Series was established by the USAF Counterproliferation Center to provide information and analysis to U.S. national security policy-makers and USAF officers to assist them in countering the threat posed by adversaries equipped with weapons of mass destruction. Copies of papers in this series are available from the USAF Counterproliferation Center, 325 Chennault Circle, Maxwell AFB AL 36112-6427. The fax number is [phone]; phone [phone].

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

The part on South Africa's role seems interesting in this context, Section III.

[Lakrosse]

4. thank God, they can help keep

hezbollah's influence off, which is growing in Chavez's Venezuela.

[shaayecanaan]

5. Nevaah!!! Today South America, tomorrow zee vorld!!!

Once ve have zee South America, zis United States vill fall like zee domino!!! Dis is your domino theory, ja?

[IndianaGreen]

6. And Obama was born in Kenya, right?

Trying to figure out which rightwing nuthouse you came out from!

[Violet_Crumble]

9. Funniest Google Moment Of The Week....

'Why are Daily Kos bloggers so much more radical than most liberals?'

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080404133237AASn1XJ

Someone who finds Daily Kos so radical is really going to struggle at DU...

[LeftishBrit]

7. I don't think that is the main thing that the Honduran military police do.

Yes, I know this is the I/P forum but the situation in Honduras is a bad one, with only limited (if that) relevance to either Israel or Hezbollah.

[EFerrari]

10. I hear Iran is quite jealous.