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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 12:02 PM Original message |
Turkey's wakeup call for Israel |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. +1 rec |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. The "alarm clock" has been ringing for a while now |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. I wonder how happy the US was |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The drill was postponed by NATO |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. NATO, another organization that has long outlived its usefulness |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Or as a defense against Soviet Imperialism. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. The Cold War turned out to be a big fraud! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Really? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Truman backed the fascist pro-Nazi side in the Greece civil war |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. And you seem proud of Soviet aggression. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. The Soviets had the fundies defeated in Afghanistan, until the US intervened |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Nice side-step. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #30 |
54. your actually defending the USSR? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I am merely stating that the Cold War was a fraud perpetrated on a gullible public |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Comes to it's sense by what? Excluding a friend of NATO from NATO drills to appease who? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What a revealing comment |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Hmm, good point, wrong term there, I apologize. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. But that is the point nonNato members |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. It seems the Turks are patching things up with their old enemies... |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Going along with Turkey on this would be a PR disaster for the Obama Administration. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. the rest of the article |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Please note that this is an editorial from The Lebanon Daily Star |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. what's wrong with the Star? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. If it isn't on the JPost or Ynet, it didn't happen |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Ugh |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. There's nothing wrong with it |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. If I really must say it the Daily star is as far in Palestinian corner as Jpost is in the Israeli. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Bear what in mind, exactly? |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Those scary Lebanese, like Vicki (Mrs Ted) Kennedy, Ralph Nader, Helen Thomas... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. There is nothing scary about Lebanese |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. like when "Middle East Experts" clog the Sunday tv panels |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That's true in the US but not in the rest of the world |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. and that matters because? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. That the POV is that of the editorial board of the Lebanon Daily Star |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Lebanon is an educated, Western, secular (with ancient Christian roots) Mediterranean society |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. So you're saying editorial bias is okay if it is because of national history? |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. The poster suspects them of bias... I have not seen bias in The Star. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Maybe you have not seen bias in The Star because you share their bias? |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. how could someone not see NYT bias re ME? |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Congrats, you now know how I feel about the Daily Star. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. rabid Daily Star bias |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. How about this one? |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. thanks for sharing this important piece, here's the rest |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Couldn't they just click on the link and read it there? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Right... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. If its an Op-Ed piece from the entire editorial board of Haaretz or the NYT then please do |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. The word *editorial* is right there on the webpage... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #28 |
53. We should be on our guard when reading any source |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. what is your take on Lebanese/Turkey relations? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I don't know a lot about it |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Leila Abu-Saba |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. I will check out those authors you mentioned |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
68. "Please note that the author is Jewish" |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. That gets pointed out all the time |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. But it would not be Obama it would be NATO |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Ha really? You really think the media in America would turn a blind eye to that kind of juicy story? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. sounds like a threat to me hmmmm |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Or you know the bidding of the American people and Congress who overwhelming support Israel and |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Again quite revealing supporting the occupation |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. You also forget that Libya not the US heads the UNSC at the moment |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 07:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You are aware america has veto powers in the UNSC right? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. so does Libya |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No they don't |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. so you agree that the US will bow to Israel's or proIsraeli lobby pressure |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. No I don't agree with that |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Fair enough and you were right |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. It only takes one veto |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. If the veto is Americas it does indicate |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. a veto in the UNSC is not really the end though is it? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Only the Security Council can refer a case to the ICC |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. While the General Assembly can't, there are others who can... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. still it really doesn't matter does it |
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