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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:06 PM Original message |
Correction: Human Rights Watch |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for clarifications |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You're welcome. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. You think criticism from Robert Bernstein (founder of HRW) is as hostile as any anti-zionist piece? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I was referring to the likes of Foreman... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Here's the link to the thread on the original article. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. Concerns about HRW's "corrections"... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. who gives a sh*t whether or not Israeli's take HRW seriously |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Should people from B'tselem and BTS take HRW seriously? Because if not.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Speaking of attempting to rally a "mob mentality" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The original founder of HRW doesn't take HRW seriously on Israel - ever wonder why? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Are you a shill for the Israeli lobby ? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I would expect a shill would be a lot more polished and less inclined to try to alienate than that.. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. the same goes for "mainsream" n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yeah, I noticed that a long while back... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Our resident Israeli DU'er on the 'mainstream' not taking HRW seriously |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Will you stop dragging DUers who are much better people than you into yr posts? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Take your own advice and leave me out of your conversations w/ others before telling me what to do |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. In case you didn't notice, I was actually sticking up for you... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Stop it - no you weren't |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Stop what? I'll give a pre-emptive *no* on that one... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That BS about you 'defending' me. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I never said I was defending you. I said I was sticking up for you.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Whatever....now about criticism of HRW |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You haven't gone back and read the posts where I've had to edit to keep up with yr edits! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Pity that someone 'rational' like you just can't tolerate any criticism of HRW |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Wow, they're some mighty silly stances I have there! Thanks for telling me what I think! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. They passed silly a long time ago. Thought you should know. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Apparently so. I'm just gobsmacked at how silly they are! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Good to see you acknowledging it. That's the first step. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I know I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to tell me other views I hold! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Aw, I'm giving you a chance to articulate your views and back your assertions |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I thought you'd already started 'articulating' them for me.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I thought I explained to you that I'm giving you every opportunity to articulate those views on HRW |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Yeah, I picked up on that. My response is as I've already stated... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Looks like you're getting huffy again, what a shame. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Looks like the time's come to start repeating what I said in the hope you might actually read it... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Maybe you don't notice you're up to your antics again, derailing the thread, going off-topic |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Well, it took a long longer than is reasonable, but I'm glad you got it at last... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yes, once again we see that you cannot tolerate criticism of HRW and that you are unable to defend |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. So you were lying about having nothing more to say? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Nope - just telling it like it is |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Telling what like it is? And who's the royal us you keep on referring to? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. How it is that you're incapable of discussing/defending HRW |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. How many times do I have to repeat I'm UNWILLING to discuss anything with you? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No, it's quite obvious you're incapable - and you're like this with many others here in I/P who... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I don't know why you insist on trying to make out I think yr the same as most other DUers here... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Well, I believe I know why you can't answer difficult questions and it has nothing to do with me |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:08 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Well, you just go on believing what you like... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. okay, I will! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Great. Glad you've got yrself all sorted out there n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I think it's worth me clarifying my pointing out it's doubtful yr a shill.. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I suspect the "talking points" come from a site called |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Ah, I was wondering where the mother-lode might be located n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. To clarify |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I think you may have missed the point, Shira... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Well, you thought wrong. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Don't think so n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Is Pelsar the only Israeli you know? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. LOL....in the Boston Jewish community here, there are MANY Israeli Jews who I know |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Seth Freedman is extremist that about says it all |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I've heard Mr Freedman called a lot of things, and usually always by extreme partisans... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. That says it all? I'm thinking 'Ed Koch is a hatefilled wanker' says a bit more. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Uh, but Ed's a racist hatefilled wanker. Seth Freedman isn't n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Of course, if you say so then it must be true. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Oh, okay. That's what I say! n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #56 |
80. I would agree Koch is a wanker |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. That Foreman article really was a shoddy hatchet-job... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. What's worse is HRW's shoddy, weak response to the article |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Sorry. I should have clarified by saying I'd like an answer from someone who actually knows... |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Looks to be a Murdoch rag: |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It sounds like the equivalent of The Australian, another from the Murdoch stable.. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. It's a Murdoch paper and fairly RW |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Here's the real problem, LB |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Who represents the "Jewish Mainstream" ? n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The original HRW founder, the ADL, AJC, and yes, even AIPAC with Obama's friend as new Prez |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Wow you if nothing else predictable |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Rupert's got a lot to answer for... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. The comment by the 'researcher' for NGO Monitor is worth reading... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
69. I still haven't had any response to the questions I asked about their methodology... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 04:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
81. Update on the question I emailed to NGO Monitor.. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
27. The "Swiftboating" of Human Rights Watch |
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