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ProgressiveMuslim
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Tue Apr-06-10 06:14 AM Original message |
Court asked to define ‘Israeli’ |
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aquart
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Tue Apr-06-10 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. Are they also fighting in the Jordanian courts? |
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Ken Burch
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Sun May-02-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
102. Jordan is NOT Palestine. Give it a rest. |
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Shaktimaan
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Sat May-08-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. point being? |
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Larkspur
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Tue Apr-06-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. Gandhi warned that democracy and a "Jewish state", which also houses non-Jews, |
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Christa
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Tue Apr-06-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I wish I could rec this. nt |
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cali
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. huh? of course there are others. |
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Shaktimaan
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Wed Apr-07-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
48. Well, the difference between the terms is nominal, don't you think? |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. From the OP |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. so what's your solution to this problem? |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Really shira? You're asking a member.... |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes, really. A real democracy there should allow for Jews within Israel to become a minority? |
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breakaleg
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well then, maybe they should stop calling it a democracy. |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Unfortunately, for you, true democracy |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. delete wrong place n/t |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. To the extent possible w/o compromising a Jewish majority there should be equal rights for all |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So, a pariah state it is then..... |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Rather a pariah state then enjoy being 'PC' in the grave |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So.. |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. You're playing the online game too....viciously attacking others for their views while hiding yours |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. And what 'situation' are you alluding to shira? |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm referring to the situation for worldwide Jewry some 2000 years prior to 1948 |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I'm very aware of it |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Again, is that situation pre-1948 acceptable to you? |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. And I asked you to define the 'situation' |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Relying on a host nation or other nations to protect Jews who require it |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Do you HONESTLY think that the current population of Israel |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Again, you're not answering the question |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. As usual you get your little |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. As usual, you're evasive, dismissive, and won't articulate your actual views... |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. No shira |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. So now let's pretend Israel does what you believe to be right and proper.... |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. So you admit Israel is not a true democracy? |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. No, it's a democracy |
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Tripmann
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Wed Apr-07-10 04:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. A dershowitz quote? Really? Thats your contribution?? |
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shira
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Wed Apr-07-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Shameful response |
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Tripmann
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Wed Apr-07-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I've no problem focusing on the quote |
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shira
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Wed Apr-07-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. well then, do you find affirmative action to be a bad idea that leads to discrimination of others? |
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Tripmann
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Wed Apr-07-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Affirmative action redresses discrimination |
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shira
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Wed Apr-07-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Do you believe Zionism (Jewish self-determination) to be affirmative action? |
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Tripmann
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Nope, and by the way you're fooling no-one |
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shira
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Wed Apr-07-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Do you believe from the very beginning, 19th century Zionism was an evil colonialist, racist... |
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Tripmann
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Thu Apr-08-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Nope, I don't believe zionism to be racist |
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shira
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Thu Apr-08-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. So what is it? |
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Tripmann
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Thu Apr-08-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Here ya go |
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shira
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Thu Apr-08-10 06:08 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. It's like pulling teeth sometimes |
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Tripmann
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Thu Apr-08-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. What a ridiculous question |
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shira
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Thu Apr-08-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Look at Shakti's #72 and #79. Do you disagree? |
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Tripmann
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Fri Apr-09-10 06:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Classic |
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Fri Apr-09-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Deleted message |
shira
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. The point was to demonstrate that the basis for Israel's most discriminatory laws isn't racism/hate |
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breakaleg
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Thu Apr-08-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Feeling the need for somthing does not allow you to take it from someone else who has it. |
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Dick Dastardly
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Wed Apr-07-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Why do you only have a problem with Israel? |
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Tripmann
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Thu Apr-08-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. How do you know, dick, I 'only have a problem with Israel' |
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Dick Dastardly
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Fri Apr-09-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
85. Because you only seem to have a problem with Israels even though the laws are all similar |
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azurnoir
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Sat Apr-10-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Perhaps you need to read your own link |
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Dick Dastardly
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Sun Apr-11-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. As I said the law of return or repatriation laws for each countries diaspora are similar not |
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Shaktimaan
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Wed Apr-07-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Give me a break... |
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cali
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Citizens of Israel who are of Arab descent do have equal voting rights |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The question WAS is the following compatible with democracy..... |
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cali
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Tue Apr-06-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. as to the original question |
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Tripmann
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Tue Apr-06-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Would you consider such a state to |
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cali
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Tue Apr-06-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. yes. the occupaton has created a discriminatory system |
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Shaktimaan
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Wed Apr-07-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. By definition it would be discriminatory, wouldn't it? |
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LeftishBrit
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Sat Apr-10-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
92. Not quite that simple IMO |
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DRex
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Mon May-10-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
106. Really? I'd rather die with honor. |
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shaayecanaan
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Does that extend to sterilising Arabs if they have too many babies? -nt- |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. nah, just using blood for Matza - don't be ridiculous. |
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shaayecanaan
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Its going to be a bit hard to guarantee a Jewish majority then, surely? -nt- |
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Shaktimaan
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Wed Apr-07-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
50. Shira, don't you see any problems with that idea? |
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shira
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Wed Apr-07-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Of course, but the alternative is worse. It's a no-win situation. |
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Shaktimaan
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Thu Apr-08-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Yeah, to be honest I don't know what the answer is. |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Answer to your question as to what country would bring in |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. America? Pre-1948 that wasn't the situation, now was it? |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. But it not pre 1948 anymore is it? |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I brought up 1948 to show that at the time, no other country would take Jews in |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Oh no I realized it or at least how it would be played |
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shira
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. almost missed this one... |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Ah yes it's quite easy |
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breakaleg
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Isn't that interesting. |
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Shaktimaan
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Wed Apr-07-10 04:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
51. Here's the thing... |
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kayecy
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. You point out some obvious difficulties but miss the main one........ |
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Shaktimaan
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Thu Apr-08-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. See, I disagree with you here. |
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kayecy
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Thu Apr-08-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. We really must expose this commonly-held belief for the nonsense it is.......... |
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Shaktimaan
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Thu Apr-08-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Hmm, you are missing the point here. |
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kayecy
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Thu Apr-08-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. You have answered the first point yourself....... |
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Shaktimaan
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Thu Apr-08-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Let me stop you right away... |
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kayecy
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Thu Apr-08-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Why flawed?....Only Israel claims to be an ethnic state.......... |
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Dick Dastardly
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Fri Apr-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. That is false |
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kayecy
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Sat Apr-10-10 03:52 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I must ask you to explain how German, Irish etc immigration law is similar to Israel's......... |
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Shaktimaan
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Sat Apr-24-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Sorry, been busy. |
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kayecy
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. An interesting reference, but look at the flaws I've found!..... |
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Shaktimaan
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Mon Apr-26-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. wait... |
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kayecy
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Fri Apr-30-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Not at all......What I am saying is........... |
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Shaktimaan
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Sat May-08-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. back again. |
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kayecy
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Mon May-10-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Do you still claim that the Israel immigration policy is non-discriminatory?....... |
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shira
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Tue Apr-27-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Demonizing certain aspects of the Jewish State without having a problem w/these aspects |
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Dick Dastardly
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Wed Apr-07-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Some unamed critics making a vague claim about 30 laws but dont provide the specific laws is far |
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Violet_Crumble
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Thu Apr-08-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Countries like Ireland do NOT have different ID depending on a person's ethnicity... |
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Tripmann
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Thu Apr-08-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
77. You're talking through your hat, dick |
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Dick Dastardly
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Fri Apr-09-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. No you are talking nonsense and ignore the facts provided. |
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Violet_Crumble
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Fri Apr-09-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. That Wiki list where you claimed the laws were similar? |
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kayecy
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Sat Apr-10-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Hi Violet.....Are you refering to the Wiki list http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Right_of_return?... |
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Violet_Crumble
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Sat Apr-10-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. That's the one! |
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Tripmann
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Sat Apr-10-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Dick, |
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azurnoir
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Tue Apr-06-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. Thank you I had questons about Israeli ID cards |
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cqo_000
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Tue Apr-27-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
100. what makes Israel different from all other states (bar South Africa) |
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