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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:43 AM Original message |
How To Beat Back Israel Divestment Bill: Get Organized |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow. 'SUPPORT APARTHEID!" How shameful. How sad. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You equate opposition to this bill with supporting apartheid? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. He's not the only one that feels that way |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Wikipedia is never really a good place to start to read opinions about anything |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I disagree |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Fair enough |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. To quote the infamous Mr. Big "Absa-fucking-lutely." |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Who the heck is Mr. Big? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Carrie's boyfriend from Sex and the City. n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Obie must not get out much ;) |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. If you think about it, maybe Obie doesn't stay in much. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Just don't watch a lot of television |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Or watch shitty tv shows. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Thanks fot the info - never seen that program |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. That may be true in Fantasia but not in the real world. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Its not apartheid, but then again, you already know that |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
36. OK. It's not apatheid, but it is an oppressive and illegal occupation. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What do you think of this divestment bill and of BDS in general? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I don't support academic boycotts or cultural ones |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Do you think this particular bill is a good one? nt |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. The Israel lobby can bring forces to fight any progress in the ME just like the pukes can |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. How would the passage of this bill in the UCB student senate have led to progress in the ME? |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Too many pro-Israel, anti-Arab types fight any criticism of Israel. This specific action |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Ok |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. What a shame, I wonder if those who fought against this realize that |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. How have they increased more American contempt for Israel? |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. There has been no significant movement within the United States government |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. You think passing this bill would have what effect exactly? |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. We won't know that now, will we? They decided they were |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Probably more attention was brought to the issue by the bill being vetoed than had it passed |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Uh probably not, as I said earlier, we may never know, thanks to the veto. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Well I guess we can both only speculate |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
18. Violence? not allowed. BDS? not allowed. Protesting at the wall? not allowed. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Berkeley students are under Israel's ongoing brutal occupation and siege? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Wow. I wasn't 't under apartheid either, Oberliner. Didn't stop me from supporting |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Your post suggested otherwise |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Who here says protests aren't allowed? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. BDS is the way to real peace. Only by applying meaningful force will Israelis -- individuals, |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Without meaningful change on the Palestinian side |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Truth to power. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Absolutely untrue - the Palestinians are more or less where they need to be. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So you think that the Palestinian demand for RoR is where they need to be? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. come on, this is ridiculous |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. "including the division of Jerusalem" |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Sadly, I think you're probably half right. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Israel needs to do several things. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. So you're for dividing the city? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I'm for dividing sovereignty over the city. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Then you're for robbing E. Jerusalem Arabs of their basic rights as soon as the PA takes over |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Daniel Pipes is yr source for claiming 3/4 Jerusalem Arabs don't want occupation to end?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. There's a poll showing greater than 90% of Umm El Fahm's Arabs saying the same thing |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Then supply a link to the poll itself with the exact wording of the question |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Here's a link but it says only 83% oppose |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. MEMRI carried out the poll? Do you have the link to the poll itself or not? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You have to actually read the MEMRI article to find it's a poll referred to by Haaretz |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Where's the link to the poll itself with the poll questions and the methodology? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. It's originally in Arabic and referred to mainly in the hebrew press. I'm surprised you don't know |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. So you haven't read the poll itself or have the actual wording? Oh-kay... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I trust the Haaretz article and have no reason to doubt it since there REALLY is staunch opposition |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Well, if you trust something, who am I to ask for a link to the actual poll? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It's odd that you require 100% verification for this but you have a much lower standard for anything |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. It's not unreasonable to expect a link to a poll. It happens a fair bit in this forum... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The poll is from a source written in Arabic. Do you know how to use google to find it? I don't. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Then just be honest and admit you haven't got a link to it... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Links to Haaretz showing support for my claim are usually enough around these parts |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Enough for who? You? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yeah, it's like no such poll ever existed in the first place. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You appear to be having great difficulty grasping the obvious fact yr claim was incorrect... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Poll of Arabs in Israel: 78%:18% Oppose transfer of Triangle to PA |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Whatever that stuff was, it didn't support the claim you'd made... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. "In East Jerusalem, residents say they would fight a handover to Abbas regime" |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. You made a claim further up the thread which you can't support with any evidence... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I wrote in #47 "about 3/4 of E. Jerusalem's Arabs are against living under Palestinian rule" |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And that's the claim nothing you posted afterwards supported... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
71. Those students who left in tears need to get a life... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. If Israel were really like S. Africa, then those polls in posts #69 and #72 make zero sense |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. It is very similar to South Africa, so go choke on yr 'polls' or whatever yr babbling about now n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:25 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. If Israel were similar to S.Africa, then 80% of Israeli Arabs wouldn't prefer Israeli govt |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. let's take a look at the paragraph directly prior to the one |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Heh, you noticed the same thing I did... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. This is very simple - do E. Jerusalem Arabs count as Palestinians in your view? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. How simplistic and you should know that |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. It is similar to South Africa, and it's the Occupied Territories, not Israel... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Arabs in E.Jerusalem since 1967 don't count as Palestinians in the Occupied Territories? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. But you were talking about Israeli Arabs, not Palestinians in the Occupied Territories n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
86. The only honorable way to beat back divestment is to call for the end |
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