Questions remain in Israel shooting

[IndianaGreen]

Questions remain in Israel shooting

By Bilal Randeree

A week after a Palestinian man was shot and killed by Israeli policein East Jerusalem, details of the circumstances surrounding his death are still unclear.

With most media focused on the global outrage following Israel's deadly assault on a Gaza aid flotilla, in which nine Turkish activists were killed, the death of 41-year-old Ziad Jilani has gone relatively unnoticed.

Jilani, a father of three, was shot dead while returning from Friday prayers on June 11, in the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Wadi Joz, after what police said was an attempt by Jilani to ram his car into two officers.

A friend of his family told Al Jazeera that Jilani was a "very family-oriented man, a loving husband and a devoted father" to his three daughters.

"His wife told me that before her husband left the house that morning, they had discussed taking the kids out someplace fun that afternoon. This was no premeditated attack," she said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/06/2010618112259993689.html

This is another of many examples of Israel's racism and cruelty.

[shira]

1. A different view of this incident - from Haaretz

According to police officials, the driver drove on a short distance, and then proceeding to flee the scene on foot. Police officers called on the suspect to stop, and opened fire at him once it was clear he had ignored their instructions.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-killed-in-suspected-east-jerusalem-terror-attack-1.295603

[IndianaGreen]

3. In America we call that a police action shooting with racial overtones

IOW, the cops shot the man solely because he was from a different race.

[shira]

6. And you just know this to be the case for this particular incident because.....?

[parkia00]

7. It depends...

What I think Indiana is trying to say is that the person, a Palestinian was shot dead because he did not follow orders to stop. The point I think being made is that if the victim was Jewish, would those that did the shooting act in the same way? Or would they act differently because the person running away was of a different race and thus needed a different "solution". And if this happened in some other civilized country where a person who was ordered to stop by the police instead ran away and the police gunned him down for that act; would it be a problem? Or would it be treated as "just another day"?

[Igel]

2. Contrary statements aren't contradictory.

"This was no premeditated attack" does not mean "it was not an attack."

Its premeditatedness is really relevant at this point; its "attackness" would be relevant, but there's not much evidence that the wife can provide on that point.

After all, he might have heard something at mosque that tripped his trigger 10 minutes before and caused him to lash out in anger or humiliation. Hardly "premeditated," but still an attack.

Was it an attack? Dunno. Competing narratives, many from people who have an agenda.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

Isn't that what Rumsfeld said? You guys are down to using Rummy's proverbs.

[Ken Burch]

5. Is "attackness" actually a word?

n/t.