Zahar: Jews will soon be expelled from Palestine

[whosinpower]

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=194259

snip - Hamas leader says Jews were kicked out by France, Britain, Belgium, Russia and Germany “because they betrayed, stole and corrupted these countries;” adds, "we will soon pray at Aqsa Mosque."

snip - “Let’s join ranks and speak in one voice,” Zahar said in his appeal to Fatah. “Together, with blood, we could liberate our lands and holy sites. You have tasted the bitterness of arbitrary negotiations.” He said that Hamas was making “big efforts” to ensure the success of reconciliation talks with Fatah.

snip - In response, Abbas’s Fatah faction accused Shallah of serving the agenda of Iran. “We urge Shallah to adopt a constructive approach and not a destructive one,” said Fatah spokesman Ahmed Assaf. “Many Arabs and foreigners have tried to hijack the Palestinians’ independent decision-making process, but Fatah has preserved all Palestinian achievements despite internal and external conspiracies.”


Right on cue Hamas.....do your very best to undercut every single effort to peace. But you do a grave disservice to those you are supposed to serve. Abbas must be getting closer than we all thought. Who knew that an independant bid at the UN would garner such vile comments from Hamas regarding the jews? It is abhorrent.

[Jim Sagle]

1. Straight-up Nazi filth from this Hamasbag.

:puke:

[Ken Burch]

3. If it wasn't for the Occupation, it's very likely there wouldn't BE a Hamas.

The right-wing hardliners in the Israeli government and the IDF that YOU cheerlead for made people like that possible.

He's an asshole, but people like him can't be stopped by keeping the Occupation in place. And you know it.

Besides, you've said equally loathesome things about Palestinians.

[Jim Sagle]

8. Cite please.

[Ken Burch]

9. There's no specific cite to be had. IT's just the reality of people living under Occupation

The longer it goes on, the worse the leaders get. This is why no Occupation, anywhere, should go on indefinitely.

And there's no way that keeping the Occupation going will STOP people in Palestine saying things like that. They'd say it about ANYBODY who was treating them the way the IDF and the settlers(a group that really shouldn't be considered Israelis, since being Israeli is about having a homeland for yourself, not taking somebody ELSE's homeland)have treated them.

The best way to put people like Zahar out of business is to end the Occupation and for people who identify as "pro-Israel" to make their voices heard against the persecution of the Palestinian people. It isn't possible to stop them by building more settlements and having the IDF destroy more Palestinian homes and destroy the olive trees of innocent farmers.

OH, and if you meant "Cites" about your comments regarding Palestinians: I'll be awhile sorting them out. There are a lot of them.
And you're gleeful celebrations everytime the IDF kills Palestinians are a good example. Not all the people the IDF kills have it coming, you know.

[Jim Sagle]

15. I meant a cite where I 'said equally loathesome things about Palestinians.'

[Ken Burch]

16. Your "I weep for the olive trees" remark, combined with the

"beer" smilie to celebrate the completely unjustified destruction of the livlihood of innocent Palestinian olive farmers, leaving them with no hope for a life at all, is a start. You were saying that those people weren't human beings and that their lives don't matter.

There are others and I'll find them...if they haven't been mercifully deleted.

And your sickening "Israel RAWWKKKSSS" cheer that you post everytime the IDF murders somebody is another. It's disgusting to celebrate anyone's death.

[Jim Sagle]

17. zzzzzzzz..

:boring:

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[Jim Sagle]

20. Because I don't. But you seem to have a creepy obsession with me and my posts.

[Crunchy Frog]

48. They don't delete those anymore.

As nearly as I can tell, they are no longer considered rule violations. :shrug:

[alanquatermass]

12. Fuckin A' RIGHT!

The "Israelis" have brought terror and bloodshed upon THEMSELVES by their continuous and wholly illegal occupation of Palestinian land. If what they are doing over there isn't Apartheid, I don't know what is.

Finally, if they would simply lay down there arms and get out of there -- immediately -- they would have peace tomorrow.

[alanquatermass]

13. LASTING peace.

n/t

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[alanquatermass]

22. No, but I find your mistake flattering...

And so, I suspect, would anyone with even a soupcon of compassion for the victims of the Occupation.

[alanquatermass]

23. And no, "victims" does not mean...

..."Israelis".

[Jim Sagle]

26. But you're working on that.

[alanquatermass]

34. Hardly! I want nothing more (and nothing less) than a cessation of ALL hostilities...

-- in that part of the world. But as the white Imperialist aggressor, Israel needs to step up and do the Right Thing. That means accepting the Arab Peace Initiative at face value. It is a good agreement. A FAIR agreement. (Do you think former President Jimmy Carter would be endorsing it if it wasn't?!)

It is an agreement that, at long and dear last, promises to bring overdue social justice to an embattled region.

[Jim Sagle]

35. No, Israel is not "the white Imperialist aggressor".

Only those with historical amnesia believe that.

[alanquatermass]

37. Dude, Elvis Costello, Santana and the fucking Pixies have all boycotted Israel this year!!!

Are you saying three of the most respected artists of our day are ALL suffering from "historical amnesia"???

[Jim Sagle]

38. FUCK yeah...dude.

[alanquatermass]

40. You cannot be serious.

You're saying that all three of these AWARD-WINNING (look it up!) artists just got it into their heads one day to arbitrarily boycott Israel? Is that your little "theory"?

O-kayyy. And what about Jimmy Carter? I suppose next you'll be insisting that HE is suffering from "historical amnesia" too?

[alanquatermass]

41. "Historical Amnesia." Hmm. Lot of that goin' around.

n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

49. Elvis Costello, Santana and the Pixies RAAAAAAAAWK!

:toast:

[alanquatermass]

50. Crunchy: THANK YOU!!!

nt

[Jim Sagle]

51. They RAAAAAAAAWK as musicians; as moral arbiters, not so much.

[Violet_Crumble]

52. Elvis Costello and the Pixies definately do!

Santana's kinda boring, though.

But kudos to all of them for taking a stand against the moral corruptness of the occupation...

[oberliner]

55. They weren't taking a stand "against the moral corruptness of the occupation"

If you read any of the statements made by those artists you would know that.

[Violet_Crumble]

56. Something I've noticed about many people opposed to boycotting Israel...

Many of the ones that I see exerting so much time and energy attacking people who choose to boycott Israel for what it's doing to the Palestinians either strongly support the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which is a more severe form of boycott, or say little to nothing in opposition to it. I find that if the argument against boycotting Israel contains things about how innocent Israelis will be affected, it's an incredibly hypocritical argument...

[Crunchy Frog]

57. Yes, I've noticed that.

I don't know where it comes from other than maybe some sense of exceptionalism of the same sort that afflict the United States.

[sabbat hunter]

53. that would mean

giving the old city to the Palestinians for political rule. Why would Palestine have any more right to rule over the old city than Israel?

[LeftishBrit]

24. Get out of where?

Do you mean the OTs or all of Israel?

And do you actually cheer on the vile comments about how the Jews have corrupted every country where they have lived???

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[LeftishBrit]

29. A deflection? It was in the Hamas quote in the OP.

And if you want to make a legitimate criticism of Israel - or anywhere- why don't you use somewhat more precise wording? E.g. exactly where they should get out of (I agree that they should get out of the OTs).

Your post to me is most certainly a deflection, if it comes to that.

[Violet_Crumble]

39. It's pretty clear they're talking about the occupied territory...

And the poster yr replying to is cheering Ken Burch's post, not the OP...

[alanquatermass]

42. Thank you Violet!

n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

43. No worries....

Being familiar with LB, I'm positive that was an honest mistake on her part. I've made similar mistakes before where I've thought someone was replying to something that they weren't...

Welcome to DU, btw :)

[alanquatermass]

44. Happy to be here!!!

nt

[LeftishBrit]

46. Apologies; I realize now that you were replying to post 3, not the OP

[alanquatermass]

47. No worries, LB! Cheers!

nt

[oberliner]

25. Why do you put Israelis in paranthesis?

That seems sort of odd.

[alanquatermass]

27. Quotation marks, you mean. And I suppose I do it...

-- occasionally -- because I just can't get my head around the idea of conferring semantic legitimacy on the occupiers of STOLEN LAND.

[oberliner]

36. Sorry - that's what I meant!

I see - okay. But by using the quotes, you seem to be denying that there is even really such a thing as Israelis.

[proteus_lives]

32. Oh yeah, that's it.

The Israelis were never attacked before they occupied the WB.

:eyes:

[proteus_lives]

31. Oh yeah, that's it.

The Israelis were never attacked before they occupied the WB.

:eyes:

[Violet_Crumble]

45. Actually, Ken's right. HAMAS came into being as a resistance movement...

If there'd been no occupation to resist, they wouldn't exist...

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[xor]

2. That's not a very nice thing to say...

Can't we all just play nice and fly kites together? Kites are awesome. We need to give a kite to every person of the world. Then we would have instant world peace, because everyone would be too busy flying kites and wouldn't have time to be mean to each other.

[Ken Burch]

4. Nobody is actually holding the views you're mocking in that post.

But it's equally true that what this guy said doesn't justify the Occupation. The Occupation CAUSED people like that to get a hearing.

[azurnoir]

5. Oh no no that's just not true

Hamas is historically linked to the Nazi's Dershowitz says so :silly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x337295#337389

[xor]

6. Wait, what? Heh, you read too much into my post...

I really was suggesting that kites are fun.

[Ken Burch]

7. Uh...ok...

n/t.

[xor]

11. Not a fan of kites?

[Ken Burch]

14. Yeah, I like them....

Just not sure how they apply to this.

Besides, in the I/P situation, they'd likely be shot down.

[LeftishBrit]

30. What have kites to do with the topic?

[LeftishBrit]

21. What a vile man,

'Right on cue Hamas.....do your very best to undercut every single effort to peace. But you do a grave disservice to those you are supposed to serve. Abbas must be getting closer than we all thought. Who knew that an independant bid at the UN would garner such vile comments from Hamas regarding the jews? It is abhorrent.'

Too true.

[proteus_lives]

33. Keep dreaming asshole.

Because it's never going to happen.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

54. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. N.T.