Egypt presidential hopeful: Peace treaty with Israel is over

[shira]

A leader of Egypt's secular opposition declared Sunday that the country's 30-year peace treaty with Israel was "over", despite assurances by the new military rulers that it would honor the accord in the wake of President Hosni Mubarak's resignation.

"The Camp David accord is over," Dr. Ayman Nur, leader of the Tomorrow Party who is planning to seek candidacy in the Egyptian presidential elections, told Egyptian radio. His remarks were carried by Israel's Channel 2.

"Egypt must at least renegotiate the terms of the accord," said Nur, who spent years incarcerated in Egyptian prison and was released with the help of U.S. intervention.

Nur is not a member of the radical Muslim Brotherhood, but rather a secular liberal. His remarks contradicted the military's statement on Saturday reassuring its international allies that there would be no break in its peace deal with Israel

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egypt-presidential-hopeful-peace-treaty-with-israel-is-over-1.343341

[Boswell]

1. Egypts Sarah Palin?

[oberliner]

2. This is a centrist/liberal secular political party

That is a little worrisome.

[azurnoir]

3. yawn I think the only thing Nur can be assured of

is that he will not be a candidate, be please feel to pump it all you want it seems to feel so good for some here to the point were one must wonder who really wants that peace treaty over and done with or is Mubarak that badly missed

eta perhaps Egypt will have the nerve to demand it be 'allowed' troops in its own territory that would be against the treaty

[oberliner]

7. How do you know who will and will not be candidates?

What are you basing your information on?

[azurnoir]

9. Lol I'm psychic

oh and this

Israel's Barak in US for top-level talks

Israel's Defence Minister Ehud Barak is to hold a series of top-level talks in Washington later on Wednesday which Israeli media say will centre on the unfolding crisis in Egypt.

Barak left Israel on Tuesday for a two-day visit to Washington and New York, and is expected to meet US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defence Secretary Robert Gates and National Security chief Tom Donilon, his office said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iyjhom72n3Zcz_7Io03KOK6zVhfw?docId=CNG.4f6d274f3aeb88a025c7211f3b0a1ee7.171

please will you try to claim that Israel did get some guarantees as to security?

[oberliner]

10. The US and Israel are going to decide which political parties can run in Egypt?

Are you serious? Is that what you are saying?

A meeting between Barak and US officials tells you what parties are going to be allowed?

[azurnoir]

12. it would certainly indicate that the US and Israel had certain reassurances

or else the US would not have given the Egyptian Military the nod of approval for ousting Mubarak, however seeing as how the US also secured Nur's release and considering what was said in it's complete quote IMO the headline is a bit sensational

[elleng]

4. Could live w/out headline.

He said, 'Egypt must at least renegotiate the terms of the accord.'

[azurnoir]

5. oh but that's no 'fun' n/t

[oberliner]

6. He said ""The Camp David accord is over"

That is a direct quote according to the article so the headline is completely accurate (assuming the quote is).

[elleng]

8. Sure, but I could still live w/o that headline.

[Shaktimaan]

14. the headline?

or the reality of it? I mean hey, I hope it doesn't happen either, but that doesn't mean I think the newspapers should print headlines that say "Puppies are adorable!" if something more important is going on.

Ha, there are plenty of other alarming, true headlines out there that I could live without as well.

Perhaps you should stop reading the paper. Have you considered that?

[azurnoir]

11. yep and this is what he said in addition to that

"Egypt must at least renegotiate the terms of the accord," said Nur, who spent years incarcerated in Egyptian prison and was released with the help of U.S. intervention.

there are price fixes and certain quantities of NP that Egypt is obliged to sell Israel and in light of Israel's discovery of huge NP deposits in it's territorial waters Israel could under the current treaty conceivably export its own natural gas at a higher price than it imports it from Egypt for something that IMO would call for an amendment to the treaty

[Shaktimaan]

13. uh-huh

and I'm SO sure that's what he was referencing. Really dude? Give me a break.

You think that when he said that the peace treaty was over or at least needed to be renegotiated it was because of natural gas prices? How much gas are we talking about here? Enough to offset the 2b in aid that they'd lose from the US for backing out of CDA?

BTW, did he mention your explanation at all? Or just talk about backing out of the treaty? Are you basing this knuckleheaded theory on ANYTHING aside from your ability to screen out reality?

[azurnoir]

15. seeing as how you can not get my gender straight after being told repeatedly

"and I'm SO sure that's what he was referencing. Really dude? Give me a break."

I would wonder about the rest of your statement and your own ability to "screen out reality"

he said the terms of the treaty should be changed, that is but one aspect

[Shaktimaan]

16. seeing as I didn't reference your gender you're not making a great argument here.

he said the terms of the treaty should be changed, that is but one aspect

Right. Maybe that's what he meant. Except he probably would have just mentioned it then, wouldn't he? And he didn't say that the terms of the treaty should be changed, he said that the treaty should end. OR AT LEAST be changed. You're just picking out an innocuous meaning that defies the obvious tone and implication of his statement.

And I'm not sure what your gender has to do with any of this. Do you have a high fever or something?

[azurnoir]

17. you referred to me as 'dude' generally that would indicate a male

and you are ignoring the entire statement, do you really think that Egyptians the Egyptian military or MB wants a war with Israel? apparently you do

[Shaktimaan]

18. You would prefer I call you dudette?

Okay, if you say so. I always considered "dude" to be a gender neutral colloquialism. (I'm also not calling you a cowboy when I say it, you know.) I'm more used to talking with people who have more progressive views on gender so it's not often an issue. But I guess I can "feminize" it if that's your thing.

do you really think that Egyptians the Egyptian military or MB wants a war with Israel?

No. When did I ever say anything like that? What in this entire thread would make anyone think something like that? I said that I don't think the candidate in question was implying your retarded theory. So then you take that to mean that I think all of egypt is dying to invade israel?

That's quite an extrapolation.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. The headline could be read in two ways, one of which is innacurate.

It could be read either as "a peace treaty with Israel is over" or "the state of there being a peace treaty with Israel is over".

The former is accurate, but not terribly worrying; the latter is probably not accurate, but much more sensationalist; the headline is probably more naturally read as the latter, and I think it's intended to be.

Nur does not appear to be calling for an end to the peace; he wants to renegotiate its terms. The headline, however, appears to have been written to create the impression that he wants war.

[Igel]

20. Could be interesting.

The oil/gas exports are to make up for the production that Israel gave up in ceding the Sinai back to Egypt.

Perhaps if Egypt does decide to renegotiate the exporting of the hydrocarbons they'll be open to renegotiating the Israeli ceding of the Sinai.

Right.

You renegotiate not to reach some sort of balanced justice but to make sure that the happy are just us.

[oberliner]

21. No it can't - and neither is

The headline is clear. It utilizes the exact words of the person it quotes in the article.

[shira]

22. Israel's enemies never mean what they say. Meanwhile, Israelis always have the worst intentions...

...even if ill intent can never be proven and evidence to the contrary is abundant.

I/P 101.

[aranthus]

23. Re-negotiate how?

Maybe I missed it in the article, but there doesn't seem to be any statement from Dr. Nur as to what in the treaty he wants to re-negotiate, nor how he wants to change it.

[shira]

24. Israel can just take the Sinai back and agree to renegotiate the terms, right? n/t

[aranthus]

25. Sure, if they want.

Of course, they don't want to do that. I don't doubt that Dr. Nur's comments were intended to give him some credibility with the "street" which is anti-Israel. That's one of the problems in the Arab/Muslim world. The street tends to be more radically and extremely anti-israel than the leadership.

[azurnoir]

26. so your saying the 'arab or Egyptian in this case street' wants war

with Israel?

[aranthus]

27. Not immediately, not yet, they don't.

Is there a chance (perhaps a good chance) that they will get around to that? Yes.

[azurnoir]

28. really are they what suicidal, death loving, what ?

I see lot's of 'provocative' talk and little else just like now

[aranthus]

29. Seriously?

Were the Egyptians suicidal and death loving in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973? Of course not. For that matter, were Germans suicidal and death loving in 1939? How about the French in the early 1800's? The Egyptians don't have to be suicidal to want to destroy Israel. They only have to be dominated by a hateful ideology.

[azurnoir]

30. Lol love how you work"1939" Germany into the comparison

oh and Napoleon as a cover but hate to tell you it's 2011 not '48, 56, 67, or 73 there are political differences as to who has the support and money from who and that Egypt is the second largest recipient of US funds after Israel, barring Iraq and possibly Afghanistan, as they say money talks
what is being ignored is the fact that the Egyptian people may very have traded a dictatorship under Mubarak for one under the it's military who would have to be agreeable to such action and have financial reason as well as others to reject such action , unless of course you believe the Egyptian people will first overthrow their military and then attack Israel

[azurnoir]

31. Decline is expected: the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt declare their respect for the Camp David treaty

Palestine Press - Dr. Saad Katatni, media spokesman of the "Muslim Brotherhood", said the group respects all treaties signed between Egypt and Israel, pointing out that re-examined because of the people and parties that have signed, if it considers that it achieves the goal of its conclusion.

And Katatni said in a statement to CNN that "CNN" News, "The group opposed the Camp David agreement between Egypt and Israel, when it was discussed, but when it was signed and approved, become a reality and the Treaty must be respected," stressing that "the Community to respect all international treaties signed by Egypt. "

This is in contradiction with the statements of Rashad Bayoumi, a Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Egypt, long ago TV Station Japan, where he said at the time that the Muslim Brotherhood will demand the abolition of the peace treaty with Israel as soon as the overthrow of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, pointing out that the Muslim Brotherhood believe that this Treaty is a humiliation Muslims would not achieve any of the interests of Egypt.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.palpress.ps/&ei=mFQ_TfLXGMrogQe9z4iVAw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpalpress%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26prmd%3Divns

ps Hat tip to Shira for the link

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