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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:23 PM Original message |
Weiner Sells Israel to Progressives: Not An Occupier, Settlements Not in Palestinian Territory |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is a real blind spot for him. |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah, Israel is a beacon of peace, love and compassion |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That seems pretty over the top |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Oh, I lived in one like that 65 years ago, called USA, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 06:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. you must be white if that's the USA you live in 65 years ago. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Some are closer than others (nt) |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Which are the ones that come closest? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I think most here would tend to regard the Scandinavian countries |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I'm not sure the Jews of Sweden would agree... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Odd we haven't heard much of the mass aliya of those fleeing Nordic countries in the 13 months since |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Do you doubt how bad it is in Norway and Sweden for Jews? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. you want to post the comment? or will it be an amorphous link |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Here it is for you... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. you are comparing the situation for Jews in Sweden to that of Libya?!? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Jews in Sweden and Norway? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 05:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Where did I compare antisemitism in the Nordic nations to Libya or Egypt? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Yes, I do; because I know Jews in Norway! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 05:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. How do you think you'd fare as an orthodox Jew in Norway or Sweden, as opposed to America? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Frits Bolkestein? former leader of the ultraright VVD party? wasn't Geert Wilders his protege ? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The VVD is an ultraright party? Isn't it the party of the current Dutch Prime Minister? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. it is presumptively called 'center right' and yes Geert Wilders was a member |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It is the single most popular political party in the Netherlands today |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No I did not have my "parties" confused Wilders was Bolkestein's |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The VVD (Party for Freedom and Democracy) itself is right-wing but not ultra-right |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. thank you pointing that out as I already had however the actual 'debate' concerned |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Though in fact the Netherlands are not the most xenophobic / antisemitic country... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. But moreso than America or the UK for orthodox Jews, right? n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. As I am neither Orthodox nor have I spent much time in the Netherlands... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Attacks vs. orthodox Jews are more common in the Netherlands than in America or the UK. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Would you like to really compare/contrast the Scandinavian countries with Israel? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Yes, I would. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Good. Do you agree it doesn't get much better than any of the Scandinavian countries? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. In terms of what? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I'm assuming you want to compare xenophobia, racism, and bigotry b/w Israel/Scandinavia - right? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Progressives. I'm a liberal and I'm just fine with it. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Interesting statements... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. I like Weiner, but strongly disagree with him over his rabid support of Israel |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. White settlers were here that long ago? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Would it make any difference if they had? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Not what I am discussing... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Jews were "not there first" at all... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. nothing more than fairy tales...with agendas |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. "I was here first" was in fact the argument of the preceding poster... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. my contention is that "first rights'..is hypocritical.... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Sort of how like the Romans justified the Sack of Jerusalem by saying that circumcision was barbaric |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. same concept...your forcing them to live by your rules.... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. more so forcing them to die by your rules... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 04:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I tip my hat to you...for your consistency... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Deleted message |
pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 04:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. LOL...you made laugh.... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. True that, except for one thing... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. An Arab is an Arab... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Arab is specific.... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Mizrahi Jews are ethnically far closer to Arabs than to European Jews |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It is likely, however |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Judaism has been around for about 3000 years (since the 13th century BC) |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I didn't justify a thing... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. You're only talking about Western Christianity... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Cool cool, |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You're assuming that the Judaism of today is the same as it was in classical times... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Considering the Mishna and it's historic roots... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Simply wrong... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. So why do you think almost all secular Jews are strong Zionists? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Deleted message |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Actually, in terms of skin colour Im closer to white than Black... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Didn't care what pigment you had... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. further |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Confusion over what culture is... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Very rarely is nationality divorced from religious affiliation |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. 'I think many Black Americans and Liberals have an agenda and it's antisemitism.' |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. You said MANY black Americans were antisemitic.... |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Let's see |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. If you still fail to see that what you said was racist, take it up with the mods... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The ADL is full of shit and condones bigotry? Tell me Violet, is there an organization committed... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. The ADL condones bigotry against American Muslims. Why deny something so obvious? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. So name a credible Jewish org. dedicated to fighting antisemitism, please. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Reply to Shira's false claim about my post... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. So you think the ADL sucks. I'm still waiting for you to name one Jewish org. you find credible... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:12 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. And another reply to another false claim made about this subject in another thread... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. How did the ADL condonde bigotry against Muslims when it came to Park 51? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. So prove the ADL condones anti-Muslim bigotry please. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Didn't say anything racist at all. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Do you feel that there is any antipathy towards Blacks on the other side of the aisle? nt |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Most likely is, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Shaay - a recent article for you |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. A case in point - this is exactly the kind of sentimental tosh |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I cited it for you b/c you're wrong. Judaism is not just a religion. n/t |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
66. virtually everything in your post is wrong. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Bollocks... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. actually the bolded part of your post |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. you are making an ecological fallacy. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
18. Tony is very good at blowing much 'liberal wind' |
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