Jerusalem Arabs honor bin Laden

[oberliner]

Arab support for terror chief: Dozens of Arab residents held a rally in support of assassinated al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in east Jerusalem's Silwan neighborhood Monday evening.

Some of the participants at the site hurled stones at Israel Police forces deployed in the area. Police officers responded with crowd dispersal means.

No reports of injuries or detainees were received following the rally.

Notably, bin Laden made various statements over the years in support of the Palestinians and against Israel.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4063672,00.html

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Hitler's Birthday Party Interrupted By Smoke Bomb In Chicago Suburb

"The Chicago Tribune reports that a group of about 60 people gathered at P.J. Klem's Restaurant & Banquet in Lyons Saturday night to celebrate the "122nd anniversary of Hitler's birth" and "the April 12, 1861, start of the Civil War.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/hitlers-birthday-party-in_n_851100.html

[shaayecanaan]

2. So the Jewish Defence League musters 20 people at a rally in Toronto...

and you sardonically note that they are a "real powerhouse". On the other hand, an al-Qaida support rally attracts "dozens" of Arabs (which could be as little as 24) and this is supposedly indicative of the views of Jerusalem Arabs?

[oberliner]

3. The elected leader of the Palestinians in Gaza has said the following

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of Osama bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior."

We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters.

Though he noted doctrinal differences between bin Laden's al-Qaida and Hamas, Haniyeh said: "We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-slams-killing-of-holy-warrior-osama-bin-laden-1.359416

This is the man who is recognized as the de facto leader of the government in Gaza.

[azurnoir]

4. yes we've all seen it it was on the front page all day yesterday

in LBN. But such things can not be stressed too much eh?

[oberliner]

5. Yes indeed, and if I may quote the person who runs/owns this website

"That pretty much tells you all you need to know about Hamas."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4835460#4835652

[azurnoir]

6. Thank you for that you pointing it out makes all the difference n/t

[oberliner]

7. I wish it did

Glad it does for some folks though.

Maybe some others will reconsider.

[azurnoir]

8. too much knowledge can be indeed dangerous

best to limit ourselves

[oberliner]

17. I disagree- the more knowledge the better

Clinging to inaccurate information, on the other hand, is almost always a bad thing.

[azurnoir]

20. yes it is however summing any group by one statement can lead to inaccurate knowledge

Hamas or any other group should not be be summed up in one sentence or statement, in the end the sum knowledge can lead to support or non-support of that group

[oberliner]

22. Two different Hamas leaders made similar statements

Both Meshal and Haniyeh have made remarks critical of Bin Laden's killing.

[azurnoir]

23. yes they have at that n/t

[oberliner]

24. And neither of them represent the position of Hamas?

Is that your contention?

[azurnoir]

25. was that what I said? or is that your interpretation?

but yes it could represent Hamas view of Bin Laden's death

[oberliner]

26. It's a question.

Hence the question mark at the end.

Your answer is not particularly enlightening.

[azurnoir]

27. I said that the 2 comments could represent Hamas view of OBL's death

what more do you want or need enlightening on?

[oberliner]

28. Can you provide a quote from any Hamas leader/member presenting an alternate view?

If you believe there is someone who speaks for Hamas that is not Meshal or Haniyeh, could you show me where that person has dissented from the comments I've shared?

[azurnoir]

29. , what are you digging for here? I have already stated twice what I think

it seems as though that is not enough or you are looking for something other than what you are getting, is that the case?

[oberliner]

30. You stated something as fact that is actually just your opinion

I'm glad you've at least made it clear that your fact was not actually a fact but just an opinion.

[azurnoir]

31. I stated that you could not sum up a group with one sentence

I stand by that statement

eta apparently you can sum up a group with a single sentence it seems, but as for myself I think that no group can be summed up in a single statement however it all depends on how ones mind works and how open to information ones mind is

[azurnoir]

9. I must point out that up until your comment, which I took as off hand

rather than literal

Yes indeed, and if I may quote the person who runs/owns this website
Posted by oberliner


"That pretty much tells you all you need to know about Hamas."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I would not have thought of DU as a place where we're told what we do and do not need to know, but apparently I stand corrected

[oberliner]

12. Weird that you would be so confused considering how long you've been posting here

Especially odd considering how frequently you post in a sub-forum that has very strict rules that one is required to abide by.

[azurnoir]

13. so you are saying that we are literally being told what we do and do not need to know?

I find that shocking not confusing

eta that was the meaning of the comment you are replying to, I took the comment being referred to as casual not literal

[oberliner]

16. Of course - have you never read the rules?

Most prominently:

Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

[azurnoir]

19. being told what knowledge we do and do not need is the antithesis

of being progressive IMO, you seem to confuse having knowledge of something with supporting that same thing it is not

[shaayecanaan]

14. And when Jonathan Pollard is eventually released from prison...

no doubt Shas, Yisrael Beteinu and the National Union will throw a joyous homecoming party for their true Jewish hero - which presumably will be just as distasteful to American audiences as the actions of Hamas are.

And those parties are no less members of the Israeli government than Hamas is a governing party of the Palestinians.

[oberliner]

15. You think he will be released from prison?

If so, what makes you believe that?

[shaayecanaan]

18. He becomes eligible for parole in 2015 (nt)

[shira]

21. Your relativist arguments are getting worse and worse.

Now Pollard is being compared to Bin Laden.

Brilliant.

:eyes:

[parkia00]

10. Dozens? Really....

Sheesh! From your chosen title in this post I would think thongs in the thousands of evil Arabs were doing honoring OBL. But just dozens... and the others?

[oberliner]

11. It was not a "chosen title" - it's the title at the link

The rules of the I/P forum state that we must use the title of the linked article.