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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:53 PM Original message |
Dialogue with a western leftist |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. There is a difference |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nick Cohen: |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So Nick Cohen changes his positions on a whim and often yeah? |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It's a glimpse into how he thinks, yes. n/t |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Supports Palin? Can't be sane. End of discussion. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. This is the OP he wrote about Palin as wiki did not have a citation for it. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Actually seems to be a pro-Obama piece in a way |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion on that..in a way |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Nick Cohen doesn't support Palin but he does have problems with fanatic berserkers on both ends.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Yes, you take Noam Chomsky and his 911 truther views over Nick Cohen. |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yeah, Noam Chomsky is totally a truther |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. Dialogue with a strawman |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Reminds me of an Ayn Rand novel. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Your reply doesn't really address Nick Cohen's post. To your first point... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. What do you think would happen if the Palestinians had an election today? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. It wouldn't make a significant difference unless Hamas voluntarily disarms |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Didn't the Palestinian government rule W.Bank before Israel stole it? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. nope Jordan did, the West Bank was never part of Israel |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. No. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 03:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. No, it was ruled by Jordan before 1967. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Well, actually... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. Like many of Cohen's articles... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. He has an article somewhere explaining why he would vote for Obama if he could |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. He changes his expressed views on many issues with startling frequency... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. He calls it as he sees it and wants liberal values upheld. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Sometimes he does. Supporting the Iraq war is not 'defending liberal values'. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Nobody's perfect... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 03:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I think I've seen everything... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Any disagreements they'd have with each other... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I disagree |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. All the people mentioned above agree on typical liberal values... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Here are a few quotes from 'The Rubin Report' blog |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Response |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I do not think that someone is a liberal if they use such expressions as 'nationally suicidal |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You're lumping Rubin in with people like Pipes, Spencer, Geller, and Phillips. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. LB, are these people that Terry Glavin describes "liberal" or "progressive" in your view.... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I think he's lumping different groups together |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. LB, here are some articles by Maryam Namazie on Islamists... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yeah, I don't think I really understand where he is coming from |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It is a liberal-to-left paper but has some conservative contributions |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Thanks for the insights |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-02-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. "Dialog with a straw man" is more like what it is. nt |
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