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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 01:00 PM Original message |
Amnesty International is losing its way |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, that's one opinion. Many of us feel that AA's actions are *SPOT-ON*. (NT) |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You think that they are spot on to provide a platform for people who claim that |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Zionism is racist and unjust. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Be honest. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Ugly untruthful post nt |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. None of the three who have said this on this thread have even tried to defend what they posted. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Speaks to the dishonesty of a position they're incapable of defending. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Because it is. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Not an answer. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Perhaps you should just search older posts in this forum. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Well if you don't think your position is worth defending |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Now, I just don't think your position will shift one jot; reiterating all the arguments... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I'm giving you an opportunity to not be thought of as merely hateful. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I'm confident that I'm not thought of as hateful just because I reject Zionism. (NT) |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Nice world you live in. Call when you get to earth. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. News Flash: In the real world, being anti-zionist does not equal antisemitism. At least not |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Newsflash |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. "'a Jewish person who support's Israel's existence.' is a Zionist ." |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Yea and ? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. really I guess all you heard was bzzzzz, as you looked up ?n/t |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. what he said was perfectly accurate. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Zionism is support of a Jewish state. Israel should not be an official Jewish state. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Do you think France should not be a French state? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. I believe that France should be a French state, but being French is not a religion. Being Arab is |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Then you don't understand what it means to be a Jew or an antisemite. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Good Post nt |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Why does it have to be a Jewish state? Why can't it be secular? n/t |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Because it's not about religion. It's about national culture. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Being French is not grounded in religion. Being Jewish is. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. No it isn't. Jewishness if both religion and nation. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You can be Jewish without living in Israel. I know plenty of people who do. Tying the two together |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Even if every Jew in Israel became xtian or atheist it would still be the homeland for Jews... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. What? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Being Jewish is not the same as being Israeli. Why is the falsehood continually pushed that being |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. who said they are synonymous? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Well said n/t |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Alright, let me say this again. I don't support a Jewish state. I don;t support a Jewish state |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Israel is a state for Jews. Whether religious or atheist. Get it? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. No, I don;t see a difference because a difference does not exist. Jewishness is not |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Ah, but here is where you are wrong. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Tying yourself in knots with this post. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. I hold an Israeli passport. I hold Israeli citizenship. But I'm not Jewish. n/t |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. And so ? ? nt |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. who 'real world' the on line that so called Pro-Semites are trying to create ? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. No, it's not. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I would also deny Christians their right to national unity and self-determination - yet I'm a |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. If the majority xtian population of a xtian state became atheist, it would cease being a xtian state |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I don't disagree with that. The stumbling block is religion in politics. No matter |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Deleted message |
Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. "How am I supposed to know whether there's anything on this site that legitimately |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well, in fact, Zionism IS a pernicious ideology that is both racist and unjust." |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Do you think that all forms of nationalism are racist, unjust and pernicious? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. I don't see why it matters much if he's consistent. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. I will take NGO Monitor more seriously on such matters... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Legit criticism is legit criticism. If you find anything false in the OP, let me know... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. What is false in the OP is: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Seriously? Amnesty has spent far more time and resources on Israel than on Libya or Syria |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. X |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. There are many right-wing pro-Israeli types that will attempt to knock down anything with the |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. So you don't mind in 2009 over 600 reports by AI on Israel vs. only 6 reports on Libya? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Nope, not at all, if it were true. But a google search provided far more than |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. It is true for 2009. And if you have no problem with that... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I got over 34 million hits for 2009 libyan human rights reports on google. Even if only |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
73. We're talking amnesty international 2009 Libya vs. Israel. And you said earlier you don't mind... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You edited your post with the original statistic. Originally you had NGOs like AI. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I don't understand this logic. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Israel does not achieve the standard that you say it does. If it did, then it wouldn't have |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Well then Libya must be achieving a high standard b/c it has so few reports... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I debunked the myth you are attempting to spread. See post #32. n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. What myth? And #32 is someone else's post, not yours. n/t |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Sorry, post #52. Wasn't wearing my glasses. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. That is circular logic at best. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I'n insinuating no such thing. I'm just arguing that no country can call itself |
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tootrueleft (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. @Leftish Brit: A very good point. It's good when surrounded by blinkered people to remind everyone |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. It's legit criticism. Oh now don't tell me you're against any criticism of organizations |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
25. Two more articles: Amnesty's Disproportion and Amnesty's Dirty Little Secret |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. So some people keep saying; but I have found FAR more material on China, Sudan, etc. than on |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. In 2009 there were 6 total reports on Libya compared to over 600 on Israel by AI... |
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