A racist, messianic rabbi is the ruler of Israel

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Rabbi of Kiryat Arba municipality, Dov Lior, returned from questioning on charges of incitement after publishing his approval of a book discussing when it is acceptable to kill non-Jews under Halacha, to his well-paid position and teaching at Nir hesder yeshiva. Without dramatic change in these matters, Israel will make all of its laws illegal.

By Sefi Rachlevsky

When King Lior parted from the evildoers, who had detained him for an hour of questioning, he turned to Mercaz Harav Yeshiva, where he was borne on the shoulders of those celebrating his messianic kingdom. Once again, he began to use the many official positions that entitle him to tens of thousands of shekels each month, and gave a class at the Nir hesder yeshiva (combining Torah studies with military service ) in Kiryat Arba, which he heads.

During chauvinistic and innocent times there was a saying used by the army: Every Jewish mother should know that she has handed her son over to worthy commanders. During the present time of repression, when the fawning "rule of law" takes prides in delaying kings for a very brief preliminary inquiry, every parent should know the repressed facts about Rabbi Dov Lior, the acting commander of numerous soldiers.

Menachem Livni, who was convicted of murders, headed a terror organization dubbed the "Jewish underground." He testified that the spirit behind the underground was Lior - and not just for his preaching and religious rulings regarding the need to murder Arabs or killing "innocent people." Lior, according to the testimony of the murderer, was involved in the details and decided how and when they would act. Lior pressured the hesitant perpetrators to blow up six buses with all their passengers. The buses were loaded with explosives with the object of killing hundreds. Only the delay enabled the Shin Bet security service to arrest them at the last minute.

The order came down: Lior was not to be arrested, tried or even seriously interrogated. The very belated and slight delay for an hour of questions relating to the book Torat Hamelech (The King's Torah ) is therefore ridiculous. It's even convenient for Lior. He's responsible for more important and extreme books. Lior does not stop at incitement.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-racist-messianic-rabbi-is-the-ruler-of-israel-1.370554

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2. He wasn't elected. What's that got to do with anything..

I don't believe only Jews should be free of bias and hatred. Hope that sorts out yr confusion...

[TomClash]

3. Yet another religious nut

People with no other worthwhile skill can always become petty demagogues.

Given the way Israel was founded can anyone really be surprised that such an organization exists?

[pelsar]

17. this is a classic....

a democratic country has one of its nuts making noises and theres always someone to use it as way demonize the whole country.....

its as if the KKK never existed, the nazis never existed, etc etc etc.....its just a variation on the old anti semitism being replaced with israelis, as israel is somehow supposed to be some kind of super democracy where if its has fanatics its 'proof" that something is wrong with israel (even though every democracy has them....)
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but i do like that your obvious about it, though i do wonder how many agree with you

[shira]

23. Meanwhile, if it's nasty state policy by the PA then it's not as bad. Figure that one out. n/t

[cali]

4. That's like saying that Pat Robertson is the ruler of the U.S.

or that Yassir Ghalban is the ruler of the Palestinians. It's hyperbole. It's for non-thinking people who want to demonize.

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5. The writer wasn't saying it literally...

That should have been obvious to any thinking person who reads the actual article.

Back to the subject of the OP, do you think the Rabbi is a racist?

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6. National Union MK threatens revenge after rabbi arrested for incitement

Another article about Dov Lior for those who don't like the OP

Kiryat Arba Chief Rabbi Dov Lior was detained earlier this week because he was suspected of inciting to violence and racism and not because of his opinions on the interpretation of halakha, Jewish religious law, National Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch told the Knesset on Wednesday.

"The rabbi was brought in for questioning at the National Unit for the Investigation of Serious and International Crime, was questioned for about an hour and when it concluded was sent on his way," the minister said. "In a Jewish and democratic state, every person is equal before the law and no person is above it," he added.

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Joining critics of his own government's action, Religious Services Minister Yaakov Margi of Shas complained that the rabbi, who is in his late 70s, was "abducted on his way to Jerusalem like the lowest criminal."

After an investigation file was opened last year, Lior, was summoned for police questioning but said he would not appear. An arrest warrant was then issued in January 2011, Aharonovitch said, adding: "Until recently additional efforts were made by a number of parties to arrange a meeting at which Rabbi Lior could be questioned on suspicion of committing a crime, but they were not successful."

Lior told reporters that he ignored the police orders to report for questioning because he considered them illegitimate. His supporters have accused the authorities of violating Lior's freedom of speech and have complained that inflammatory remarks made by leftists against nationalist Israelis did not draw similar sanctions.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/national-union-mk-threatens-revenge-after-rabbi-arrested-for-incitement-1.370379

[LeftishBrit]

8. Lior is a horrible man as I've said...

and if he acts like a criminal, he should expect to be treated as one.

[LeftishBrit]

7. Nasty man, but he's NOT the ruler of Israel.

And, though the religious-right parties have too much influence, they're unlikely ever to truly rule the country.

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9. I'm pretty sure the writer wasn't meaning it literally...

Just like when there's op-eds posted with titles like 'Stealing Jerusalem silently', I don't take it literally and post saying that what's happening is NOT silent...

But, yes. He's a nasty man...

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11. For fuck's sake. It was an op-ed and he was using poetic license...

As I pointed out to LB, there's op-eds posted here where the titles aren't meant to be taken literally. It's a bit pathetic to launch into a personal attack on me over the title of an op-ed published in Ha'aretz. If it's getting you hot under the collar*, go and fire off a complaint to Ha'aretz, but I'm not changing the title of articles when I post them in this forum.

What's telling about this thread is that out of those who do read everything literally, only one had any comment about the bigoted subject of the article....

* disclaimer: It's important to note that I'm not claiming yr body temperature immediately under yr collar will rise. It's a turn of phrase not meant to be taken literally ;)

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14. Rabbi Lior: Arabs are 'evil camel riders'

Kiryat Arba rabbi says Israel's international isolation, hatred of Jews worldwide are punishment for demolition of three houses in Migron outpost

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4124816,00.html#.Tnh2pIGROcg.twitter

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"Israel's international isolation and the hatred of Jews worldwide are the punishment for the demolition of three houses in the Migron outpost two weeks ago, Kiryat Arba Rabbi Dov Lior ruled Monday during a conference held at the Binyamin region community.

"We all saw that on the day the buildings were destroyed the diplomats were expelled from Turkey, and the Egyptians were next and later the Jordanians," the prominent right-wing rabbi stated. "The waves of anti-Semitism in Europe are a punishment for this as well."

According to Lior, every time Israel tries to "please the villain," its status in the world suffers.

He went on to slam the Israeli Left. "There are circles of villains seeking to give away parts of this land to our enemies. Luckily, God Almighty causes the camel riders to refuse to meet with the government…

"There are leftists fighting the people of Israel's return to their land… They have put the public to sleep with opium of peace… The Hollywood culture and singing in discotheques will not do good, but bad."

The rabbi referred to the Arabs as "wolves", adding: "What we have with those villains and savages is not peace, and it won't be peace. It's against their nature. They hate peace."

He called Israel should be cleared of Arabs, who should be given a right of return to places like Saudi Arabia. "The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel only," he ruled."

[oberliner]

15. He actually doesn't say that anywhere in this article

The phrase in quotes in the title does not appear in the body of the article itself.

[oberliner]

16. He is by no means the ruler of Israel

What's with these titles?

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19. It's an op-ed and not meant to be taken literally...

If it was a news story, it'd be a whole different story...

[oberliner]

21. Sorry - I missed you responding to this exact comment elsewhere in this thread

In any case, I think it could be confusing for those who just glance at the headlines and don't take the time to read the article itself.

Anyway, he is an unpleasant character - and there are, sadly, lots more like him with way too much influence in that country.

We have a similar (but by no means identical) problem in the US.

Secular non-religious folks don't get very far in this country electorally speaking.

But that's another issue altogether.

[vminfla]

18. Stupid flame bait. I would not recommend this

Grotesque propaganda, real twisted.

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20. Thanks for that detailed rebuttal of what was written...

Any chance of getting an explanation of *why* you think that?

[Scurrilous]

24. ...

:thumbsup:

[shira]

28. No doubt. +1.

Imagine "Racist Jihadi Islamist is ruler of Gaza".

Something you might find on Pam Geller's website.

Any day of the week.

[leftynyc]

22. Moronic title

And in no way supported by the article you linked - MASSIVE fail (but no real surprise).

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26. Try reading the article rather than just the title

It amazes menhow many people just read the title and nothing else and then act as though they can talk with some authority about the article they haven't bothered reading or commenting on.

Massive fail (but no real surprise)

[Boojatta]

25. "He's responsible for more important and extreme books."

Is that a reference to The Satanic Verses?

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27. No n/t