Hamas arrests male hairdresser for Gaza woman's haircut

[oberliner]

The Hamas government in Gaza has begun enforcing a law introduced last year banning men from cutting women's hair.

Until now, the law had not been enforced, but this week at least one male hairdresser in Gaza was arrested.

Male hairdressers for women are regarded by many Muslims as against Islamic tradition.

The move is seen as an attempt to bolster Hamas's Islamic credentials against critics who say it has become too moderate.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14050894

[King_David]

1. You can not make this shit up

Even if you tried.

[azurnoir]

2. nor this-Rabbi promotes 'modesty wounds'

Three weeks ago, Rabbi Zilberstein, the the son-in-law of prominent Rabbi Yosef Elyashiv, received an inquiry from a women's religious seminary (Midrasha) about a student who is growing increasingly religious. The student said she wanted to dress modestly but her parents were preventing her from doing so, because they were not religious.

"The young woman is facing a difficult challenges from her family members, who forbid her to dress modestly," the coordinator of a women's religious seminary wrote in the inquiry.


"The young woman thought that if she inflicted wounds on her legs she could tell her parents that she is wearing a long skirt to cover the wounds," the letter said.


Rabbi Zilberstein's reply came shortly after, with an unequivocal answer: "She is allowed to inflict wounds on her legs in order to dress modestly and evade sin."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083216,00.html

but I suppose we'll hear 'righteous' indignation about how it's worse when the leaders of a state(Arabs) go it

[King_David]

3. Um it has nothing to do with the OP

This is about Hamas, wanna talk about whakjob Jews?

Start your own thread !

[azurnoir]

4. seems a nerve was touched the point is that there are as you put it "whack jobs" everywhere

seems 'odd' though this was run on Monday I read it then never occurred to run a thread but yet let Palestinian religious 'whack jobs' do something and it can't be posted fast enough

[King_David]

18. Nope , just read Pelsar's reply:

He covered things very well, no need for
me to elaborate any further.

[pelsar]

5. since you asked...i guess you must need some education

comparing democracies to fascist, religious dictatorships is usually done as a weak attempt to demonize the democracy..in this case israel. Only and i mean ONLY those with agendas, weak willed, or naive (or freshmen at college) can't see the difference.

so for all those college freshmen out here at the DU:

there is a difference between when the society has actual laws against certain behaviors vs when a family or subculture has those same or simaler "rules.".

in the first, breaking the law gives one few options if any in a dictatorship (especially a religious one), in the latter, in a democracy, there are always options, since they are only local "rules" and not laws.

furthermore, a basic difference between a liberal democracy vs a religious dictatorship as in hamas is the approach: in a democracy, everything is free to do, unless its specifically forbidden, whereas in religious dictatorship its the opposite, everything is forbidden UNLESS its specifically allowed.

the idea of saying/hinting that they are same are simaler or in comparing their laws and approach to governing..is well, to be generous, comparing 12th century government to a present day democracy. So when one sees such comparisons, its a good idea to ask the age and college education of the poster.....

[holdencaufield]

7. Or... to put it more simply

In Israel, any rabbi (or adult for that matter) that councils minors to harm themselves would be answerable to the State and subject to arrest and punishment. In the case of the Gaza hairdresser -- the State is the inflicting the punishment.


Or... more simply, in Israel, the State protects -- in Gaza, the State attacks.

[azurnoir]

9. Has this Rabbi been arrested because he did just that ? n/t

[azurnoir]

8. wrong again but still your smarmy reply is expected I gave my reasonimg below

oh but thanx for proving my point

[pelsar]

10. and your point was that in democracies there is freedom to choose?

if your point is that democracies one has freedom to choose and freedom to argue and freedom to find those that agree with you vs a dictatorship where that very freedom in a democracy will get you arrested......then you weren't clear.


i was concerned that all those college freshman out here would not understand your message so i clarified it for them, i hope you dont mind......

[azurnoir]

11. oh I don't mind at all in fact I think your writings on Palestinian culture

illustrate the Israeli mind set quite well, in fact I would not have it any other way

[pelsar]

12. its a liberal mind set - we have little patience for dictatorships

it just so happens that hamas is one of those and this is the I/P conflict. I really dont differentiate between hamas, saudi arabia, iran.....as well as the less theocratic ones as in N. Korea, etc....all have nothing in common with any imperfect democracy.

like i wrote, the young an naive might actually confuse a democracy with a theocratic hamas led government by your writings and acutally believe they exist in the same moral plane (whats next, defending pot pol and his culture?)

[azurnoir]

13. How do you get that out of a post about religious extremeism?

no where did I say anything about supporting Hamas, one would have to be quite 'naive' to put it mildly to 'confuse' Hamas with democracy
I find your false accusations towards me rather amusing


like i wrote, the young an naive might actually confuse a democracy with a theocratic hamas led government by your writings and acutally believe they exist in the same moral plane (whats next, defending pot pol and his culture?

usually I would attribute such tactics to Fox news and their ilk but I guess 'liberals' are just as capable it would seem?

[pelsar]

14. you recall i wrote it for the niave....the freshmen...those who are easily confused

your comments about internal family dispute in israel about religion was in reply to a comment about a religious law in a religious dictatorship. For those who know less, or read fast, they might actually believe you are comparing the two as equal commentary on the two societies and not really know that israel is a secular democratic society (with its glaring imperfections in certain areas...).

i felt it was my duty as a liberal Israeli to explain to those less educated or for those who are interested, that in fact there is a difference between liberal democracies and theocratic regimes and one shouldn't confuse the two, nor attempt to compare them as if they are equal and there by excuse hamas ruling style or demonize israel (its one or the other).

your comment at the end of your first post, was in fact confusing to that end......

i just clarified it......us israeli liberals like plain speaking (nothing to do with fox or other animals).

[azurnoir]

15. oh yes the young and easily influenced I see

but in your duty as a 'liberal' Israeli perhaps you neglected to mention that in Israel Rabbi's have power over Marriage , Divorce, and family affairs and that in the liberal democracy of Israel a women who gets divorced must obtain a Get from her ex-husband to re-marry but such details are unimportant aren't they in a liberal democracy

[oberliner]

16. How do the Israeli laws for divorce compare with the Palestinian ones?

What are the differences and similarities?

[pelsar]

17. i try to be specific.....and not confuse or "speak in forked tongue"

hence your wondering why i didnt change subject from clarifying the differences between how a democracy deals with religion vs how a theocratic dictatorships does?

mainly because israels imperfections as a democracy was not the subject, though i did mention the imperfections exist, in case the naive and uneducated were interested.
israel is a secular democratic society (with its glaring imperfections in certain areas...).

and in fact there is a very short discussion on that very issue that i would have directed them to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x357613
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but i was more interested in "saving" the naive college freshmen from confusing the govt styles of hamas/pot pal/china/ n. Korea/Iran with a social democracy such as israel. As that, israeli liberal i feel it is my duty, for those who are interested in civil rights, peace between societies to understand that theocratic dictatorships are infact anti civil rights are inherently unstable, have god on their side, which can and is used to justify any and all actions and with that as their base, reject western values.

your original post seem to blur the line between a western democracy vs a govt that is anti western

[azurnoir]

21. my original post blurred the lines ? if you say so

perhaps for you it did?

[Violet_Crumble]

6. You'd think they'd have more important things to deal with n/t

[bemildred]

19. It all seems so bizarre to me today.

Meaningless arguments over imaginary distinctions and cultural shibboleths and taboos, on both sides and spread all around them.
:hi:

[azurnoir]

22. well I did put my foot in it that's for sure lol n/t

[bemildred]

23. "If you have your shit together, what's that stuff all around it?"

:hi:

[azurnoir]

24. splatter and lots of it

:hi:

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Yeah, it is a bit more thick in the air than usual right now...

:hi: back at you!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. The Sharia in action...

And there will be more to come...