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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:11 PM
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How Israel takes its revenge on boys who throw stones
Video seen by Catrina Stewart reveals the brutal interrogation of young Palestinians

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"The boy, small and frail, is struggling to stay awake. His head lolls to the side, at one point slumping on to his chest. "Lift up your head! Lift it up!" shouts one of his interrogators, slapping him. But the boy by now is past caring, for he has been awake for at least 12 hours since he was separated at gunpoint from his parents at two that morning. "I wish you'd let me go," the boy whimpers, "just so I can get some sleep."

During the nearly six-hour video, 14-year-old Palestinian Islam Tamimi, exhausted and scared, is steadily broken to the point where he starts to incriminate men from his village and weave fantastic tales that he believes his tormentors want to hear.

This rarely seen footage seen by The Independent offers a glimpse into an Israeli interrogation, almost a rite of passage that hundreds of Palestinian children accused of throwing stones undergo every year.

Israel has robustly defended its record, arguing that the treatment of minors has vastly improved with the creation of a military juvenile court two years ago. But the children who have faced the rough justice of the occupation tell a very different story."

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:15 PM
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1. Yup. They hate them.
Kid, I notice, is alive. The kids who faced the "rough justice" are alive to tell the story.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:29 PM
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3. So it is only rough if it is fatal?
Fairly extreme view you have there.
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parkia00 Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 08:21 AM
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11. So that's okey right?
You all for it! As long as they stay alive, anything done to them is just dandy. Right?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:16 PM
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2. Thanks for posting that.
From the article:

Israel claims to treat Palestinian minors in the spirit of its own law for juveniles but, in practice, it is rarely the case. For instance, children should not be arrested at night, lawyers and parents should be present during interrogations, and the children must be read their rights. But these are treated as guidelines, rather than a legal requirement, and are frequently flouted. And Israel regards Israeli youngsters as children until 18, while Palestinians are viewed as adults from 16.

Lawyers and activists say more than 200 Palestinian children are in Israeli jails. "You want to arrest these kids, you want to try them," Ms Lalo says. "Fine, but do it according to Israeli law. Give them their rights."

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:40 PM
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4. Indefensible behavior and short sighted, this only fuels more anger.
This rarely seen footage seen by The Independent offers a glimpse into an Israeli interrogation, almost a rite of passage that hundreds of Palestinian children accused of throwing stones undergo every year.

"The problems start long before the child is brought to court, it starts with their arrest," says Naomi Lalo, an activist with No Legal Frontiers, an Israeli group that monitors the military courts. It is during their interrogation where their "fate is doomed", she says.

Sameer Shilu, 12, was asleep when the soldiers smashed in the front door of his house one night. He and his older brother emerged bleary-eyed from their bedroom to find six masked soldiers in their living room. (end)

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:50 PM
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5. This is the interrogation of a 12 year old
Edited on Fri Aug-26-11 06:50 PM by azurnoir
In the hours before his interrogation, Sameer was kept blindfolded and handcuffed, and prevented from sleeping. Eventually taken for interrogation without a lawyer or parent present, a man accused him of being in a demonstration, and showed him footage of a boy throwing stones, claiming it was him.

"He said, 'This is you', and I said it wasn't me. Then he asked me, 'Who are they?' And I said that I didn't know," Sameer says. "At one point, the man started shouting at me, and grabbed me by the collar, and said, 'I'll throw you out of the window and beat you with a stick if you don't confess'."

Sameer, who protested his innocence, was fortunate; he was released a few hours later. But most children are frightened into signing a confession, cowed by threats of physical violence, or threats against their families, such as the withdrawal of work permits.


imagine what an adult would experience

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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:51 PM
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6. The parents should be horse-whipped. n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:23 PM
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7. Yea, that makes sense, you forget to add a sarcasm tag to your comment?
Israel's policy has been successful in one sense, sowing fear among children and deterring them from future demonstrations. But the children are left traumatised, prone to nightmares and bed-wetting. Most have to miss a year of school, or even drop out.

Israel's critics say its policy is creating a generation of new activists with hearts filled with hatred against Israel. Others say it is staining the country's character. "Israel has no business arresting these children, trying them, oppressing them," Ms Lalo says, her eyes glistening. "They're not our children. My country is doing so many wrongs and justifying them. We should be an example, but we have become an oppressive state."

Child detention figures

7,000
The estimated number of Palestinian children detained and prosecuted in Israeli military courts since 2000, shows a report by Defence for Children International Palestine (DCIP).

87 The percentage of children subjected to some form of physical violence while in custody. About 91 per cent are also believed to be blindfolded at some point during their detention.

12 The minimum age of criminal responsibility, as stipulated in the Military Order 1651.

62 The percentage of children arrested between 12am and 5am.

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 12:16 AM
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10. I'm pretty sure the comment's a sarcastic one...
I've also been guilty of not slapping a sarcasm tag on what I say sometimes :)

'Israel's critics say its policy is creating a generation of new activists with hearts filled with hatred against Israel. Others say it is staining the country's character. '

I say it's doing both quite successfully...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:53 PM
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8. .... "horse whipped".....
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:18 PM
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9. Does this mean you agree with the poster's idea, or are you here as an editor..
or both?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 08:25 AM
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12. These viscious cowardly bullies should be horsewhipped. nt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 12:11 PM
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13. Snip* The fact is, facing a brutal war machine with stones is but a symbolic gesture.
It is a symbol of the vast discrepancy in power between the Palestinian people and Israel's war machine.

Stones aimed at Israeli tanks or other armed vehicles were a means for the unarmed indigenous people of Palestine to demonstrate their refusal of occupation and oppression. Youth, women, the elderly and all sectors of society participated in this form of resistance.

Stones could be violent, however, when used systematically by Israeli soldiers to smash Palestinians' limbs, as part of a policy ordered by Yitzhak Rabin, then Israeli minister of defence, to "break their bones". The Knesset refused to even investigate Rabin's order, and he was never been held accountable.

Moreover, media outlets advocating for these nonviolent tactics have chosen to completely overlook the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel. Although it does not fall under the two forms of resistance mentioned earlier, it can be only be categorised as a strictly non-violent tactic, aiming to pressure Israel to abide by its obligations under international law.

The overwhelming growth in the BDS movement, met with little to no coverage of its successes by most mainstream media outlets can only be an indicator of the hypocrisy of their coverage of Palestinian resistance: only shedding light on forms of resistance they categorise as relevant - or, dare I say, worthy.

Finally, it is important to comprehend the context of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict that is often called "complex". In fact, and at the risk of oversimplifying, it is a conflict between an oppressor and an oppressed. Within that context the use of violence and force can be exemplified perfectly in the words of Paulo Freire:

"Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed. How could they be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence? How could they be the sponsors of something whose objective inauguration called forth their existence as oppressed? There would be no oppressed had there been no prior situation of violence to establish their subjugation. Violence is initiated by those who oppress, who exploit, who fail to recognise others as persons - not by those who are oppressed, exploited and unrecognised."


in full: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/06/201162895553754742.html
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