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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:03 PM
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U.S. envoys to visit region in last-ditch effort to avert Palestinian statehood bid
* Try try again and more blah blah blah.

David Hale and Dennis Ross to try and revive peace talks between Israel and Palestinians; critics say move may be too late.

Senior U.S. envoys will visit the Middle East this week to try to revive peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians and avert a Palestinian bid for UN membership, he United States said on Tuesday.

The mission by U.S. Middle East peace envoy David Hale and senior White House aide Dennis Ross appears to be a last-ditch push to dissuade the Palestinians from seeking to upgrade their UN status this month, a step Israel strongly opposes.

The United States and Israel believe the Palestinians should try to establish a state through direct peace talk, which broke down nearly a year ago, and they that action at the United Nations will make it harder to resume negotiations.

"The only way of getting a lasting solution is through direct negotiations between the parties and the route to that lies in Jerusalem and in Ramallah, not in New York," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters.

"Our hope is that we get the parties back into a frame of mind and a process where they will actually begin negotiating again," she added.

in full: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-envoys-to-visit-region-in-last-ditch-effort-to-avert-palestinian-statehood-bid-1.384275

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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:23 AM
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1. the same dick in the same vigorously moving hand
Was this even a serious attempt? All the people in the world that you could send to sweet-talk the Palestinians, and you send....Dennis Ross?
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:31 AM
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2. Sending Dennis Ross is one indicator of how serious the US is imo. Perhaps this is more
about the US being able to say the record will show we tried right up until the end. The consequences of the Palestinians
refusal is now their responsibility.

Abbas on how serious the US has been:

At the U.N., Palestinians Keep Cards Close to the Chest
By Thalif Deen

UNITED NATIONS, Sep 13, 2011 (IPS) - When the 66th session of the United Nations General Assembly opened Tuesday, one of the key questions lingering in the minds of most delegates was the state of Palestine - literally and metaphorically.

Will the Palestinians go to the Security Council seeking full membership at the United Nations - even at the expense of being vetoed by the United States?

Or will they be content with "enhanced observer status" in the 193- member General Assembly, where the Palestinians can garner an overwhelming majority of states to back them?

Speaking to reporters Tuesday, the newly-elected president of the General Assembly, Ambassador Nassir Abdulaziz al-Nasser of Qatar, said, "Everything is up in the air."

"I have no idea which way they want to go," he said. "It's up to the Palestinians. But they have not contacted me. Nor have I seen the text of any draft resolution. We will have to wait and see."

Pressed for an answer, he said there are several theories floating around resulting in endless political speculation and confusion about the state of play.

"Believe me, I can assure there no secrets in the U.N. If there is a draft text," he said, he would be more than willing to share it with reporters. "But there is no such draft text - at least not yet."

"I believe in transparency. But I don't have any idea of what the draft resolution would be like because it has to be negotiated," Al- Nasser added.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is expected to be in New York next Monday, when he is likely to hand over his application to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon for transmission to the Security Council and the General Assembly.

Until then, everyone is being kept in the dark.

One U.N. ambassador told IPS, "We really don't know what's going on behind the scenes because the Palestinians are playing their cards close to their chest."

Abbas has publicly expressed his disappointment over the negative reaction from U.S. President Barack Obama, whose administration has threatened to veto any application by Palestine for full membership at the United Nations.

Playing for time, Obama wants the Palestinians to resume their talks with an intransigent Israel.

In an interview with a U.S. weekly, Abbas put it in more colourful language: "It was Obama who suggested a full settlement freeze (which has been violated by the Israeli government time and time again)."

"I said OK. I accept. We both went up the tree. After that, he came down with a ladder and he removed the ladder and said to me, jump," said Abbas.

Mouin Rabbani, a visiting senior fellow at the Washington-based Institute for Palestine Studies and a highly-respected Middle East political analyst, told IPS that two decades of negotiations have achieved nothing except the further consolidation of Israeli control over the occupied territories, in large part because of consistent U.S. support for Israeli impunity.

"It is therefore high time for an alternative and more effective approach to resolve this conflict and achieve a credible two-state settlement," he argued.

in full: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=105093
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 10:33 AM
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3. Mr Ross richly deserves his role here.
The only person I can think of who is more appropriate is Ms Clinton.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:08 AM
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4. PA official: U.S. Mideast peace offer convinced Palestinians to seek statehood at UN
A last-ditch U.S. attempt to sway the Palestinian Authority away from its planned statehood bid at the United Nations and toward resumed negotiations with Israel achieved only in convincing the Palestinians that recognition in the UN was their only possibility, a PA official said on Saturday.

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"David Hale and Dennis Ross came with a paper that was the last straw that he could take," said Shaath. "It seems that it was designed to be rejected."

One issue the Palestinians had with the American proposal was did not refer to disputed Israeli settlements as illegal, instead attributing their presence to demographic trends since 1967.

Shaath said accepting the U.S. proposal would have legalized the disputed settlements.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/pa-official-u-s-mideast-peace-offer-convinced-palestinians-to-seek-statehood-at-un-1.385011
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:26 PM
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5. They never cease to amaze me. ..attributing their presence to demographic trends since 1967.
Fuck that.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:29 PM
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6. "Give me what I want, and then we can talk." nt
Edited on Sat Sep-17-11 12:29 PM by bemildred
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:44 PM
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7. In a nut shell that is exactly it. n/t
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:56 PM
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8. Geez sounds like their not even trying anymore just going though the motions
demographic trends???? shakes head and wishes for face palm smiley
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 02:15 PM
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9. We could use one of those, I agree! n/t
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