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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:07 PM Original message |
Frank urges support for Israel in quest for peace |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Three government leaders in my lifetime have spoken positively about gay rights in the House of Rep |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. , Israel is "one of the most democratic centers in the in the world." |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. 'Hamas must recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state ' |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Tell THEM that. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Barney Frank said : |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Bullshit. The PLO recognized Israel in 1994. That put THAT part of it to rest. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That doesn't count when the PA demands & insists on full RoR. Palestinians cannot have both..... |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Barney Frank said : |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Recognizing Israel is the same thing. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Those are the terms nt |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. why are those the terms? n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. It isn't as simple as saying "those are the terms" |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Just like Jerusalem being indivisible |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. In other words...you have no interest in peace at all |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Actually have no idea what your going on about |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I know exactly what I'm talking about |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Ken, you're insisting Israel make all the concessions and that the PA/Hamas enjoy 'victory'. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. NO, I'm not |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Then you're for endless conflict and enmity if you leave the door open for an Arab majority Israel.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. They need to recognize Israel as a Jewish State to prove their goal is not 3 Palestinian states... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Again, why do THEY have to recognize it as "a Jewish state" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Answered in #29. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Not answered. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Because Sadat and Hussein didn't insist on full RoR like the PLO and Hamas. Besides.... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. Supporting Israel and supporting Israel's right to exist are far from the same thing. |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. WOW |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Comical. Unless Israel allows full RoR, Israel will deserve the tag of 'apartheid state'. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Who said anything about "only"? |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You did |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I think you may be confused. |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Confucius say |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Let's try this on Israel insists on the Palestinians defining it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Israel should remain super majority Jewish. Once that stops, the law of return will be repealed... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. yes I do and it is yet another case of 'serendipity' that enough Arabs had 'left;' Israel for there |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You've made yourself clear in the past. If the refugees you purport to care for need to stay... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. it seems you've become comfortable with your own rhetoric |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. There's no other way of seeing things when you insist on a mythical RoR... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. The world is nothing at all like it was in 1948 |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. this is rich...coming from you... |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Kind of like Jews in every country of the world |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. That's not what people in this forum are saying. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Again your reply bears no semblance |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. So is the Palestinian and Lebanese leadership also practicing apartheid in your view? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Please stop telling me what I wish - you don't have ESP, and always get it wrong. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. PA rule would be no better than the Jordanian/Syrian/Egyptian model. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. so the PA won't meet your standards so let the occupation continue is that it? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Donald is arguing that refugees have the right to flood Israel, making it into a majority Arab state |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I did read quite carefully and I am also quite familiar with the opinion that Palestinians that |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. It's racist to insist that Arab countries MUST be dictatorships. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. What are you talking about? How has the Arab spring brought about genuine democracy? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. of course |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Here's what I would propose |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
57. What makes you think your terms wrt RoR would be acceptable to the PLO or Hamas? n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Israel's survival is NOT in question-it can't be when that country has |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Israel is the stronger party here |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. ooh "might makes right" always a winner I guess? n/t |
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