Interviews with Two Terrorists Released in the Gilad Shalit Exchange Who Vow to Return to Terror Act

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Muhammad Abu Ataya: "I was arrested for being a member of the Izz Al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and for killing traitors and spies, and killing traitors and spies, as well as going after the herd of settlers and the Israeli army."

Interviewer: "Brother Muhammad, as you regain your freedom, you carry the gun of the rebel, the gun of the fighter, and you wear the fatigues of the Al-Qassam Brigades, even though Netanyahu warned that any released prisoner rejoining the resistance would be severely punished."

Muhammad Abu Ataya: "He can make as many warning as he likes. His warning and threats will not deter us from continuing the journey of resistance, on which we embarked decades ago. <…>"




http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5755.htm

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[leveymg]

2. Menachem Begin was branded a "terrorist" by the British for his role in the King David Hotel bomb

And, as someone reminded me, along with Begin, there is also Yitzak Shamir who under his original name of Yitzhak Yezernitzky
helped to master mind and may have directly participated in the murder of Folke Bernadotte who was a UN mediator in Jerusalem in 1948.

The only difference between a Terrorist and a Statesman is recognition of a State and a bit of time.

P.S. - There are images of the 1946 Wanted Poster naming Begin and a headline from a British newspaper referring to the bombers as "Terrorists" at Google Images, if anyone doubts this.

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3. So then you agree that these two are terrorists

IF A = B, And C = B, then C = A.

[shira]

4. Terrorists turned statesmen like Sadat are different than terrorists who remain terrorists...

...like Arafat.

This ain't rocket science.

But go on pretending Sadat = Arafat = Begin, etc.

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

5. or you can go pretending otherwise what was that Ilan Pappe quote again? n/t

[shira]

6. Could you be clear? I can't decode what you just wrote. n/t

[azurnoir]

9. Decode or do not wish to answer? The Ilan Pappe quote you posted on your thread about the NYTn/t

[azurnoir]

10. Here I'll post the quote for you in case you do not remember

“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers,” Pappe said in an interview with the French newspaper Le Soir, Nov. 29, 1999.

now I take that as meaning each side present facts in a way that suits their particular needs Arafat was whether you like it or not a statesman

[shira]

11. Arafat was an unrepentant terrorist who never changed. Not the same as Begin. n/t

[azurnoir]

12. That is your opinion, but he was a statesman n/t

[shira]

13. What's your opinion on Arafat vs. Begin? n/t

[azurnoir]

16. They were both statesman

as are George Bush, Avigdor Lieberman, Ehud Olmert.......

[BeenThereDoneThat]

14. What did he accomplish

That made him a "statesman" in your opinion.

[azurnoir]

15. so to be a statesman you have to accomplish something?

but Oslo would be one thing

[leveymg]

7. You're free to make all the distinctions you like. But, it simply doesn't make it so.

Only time and recognition of statehood will tell in each individual case.

BTW, please inform us: by your calculus, are Begin and Shamir still terrorists or just ex-terrorists turned statesmen?

[shira]

8. And you're free to pretend there's no difference between an unrepentant terrorist like Arafat...

...and an ex-terrorist turned statesman like Begin.

[leveymg]

17. show us where Begin repented and Arafat did not

And I might agree that there is a difference. But I acknowledge that repentance is a necessary step toward becoming a statesman in cases such as these two.