Gaza militants agree to truce after nine killed in Israeli air strikes

[Swede]

And this time they pinky swear.



A round of Israeli air strikes and rockets fired at Israel from Gaza continued on Sunday, hours after Egypt brokered a truce following the deaths of nine Palestinian militants and an Israeli civilian.

Islamic Jihad, the main militant organisation behind the rocket launches, said on Sunday morning that it had agreed to abide by a ceasefire.

However, Israel launched a further air strike on Sunday afternoon, which it said was intended to thwart a further attempt to fire missiles from Gaza. A tenth militant was killed in the strike, and another wounded.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/30/gaza-militants-ceasefire-offer-israel?newsfeed=true

[azurnoir]

1. Netanyahu on Israeli policy towards Gaza "kill or be killed" also says there is no cease fire

Netanyahu on escalation: 'There is no cease fire in South

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said Sunday afternoon "there is no cease fire" in the South, in reference to the recent escalation in violence along the Gaza border.

Speaking at the start of a special cabinet meeting being held in Safed, the prime minister warned: "The other side will pay a higher price then they have already paid, until they stop firing."

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=243739

PM says Israel's policy in Gaza includes two main principles: 'Kill or be killed' and 'Hurt us – on your own head be it'. Unaware army changed its version, Netanyahu mistakenly says terror cell gunned down Saturday was same cell that fired at Ashdod Wednesday

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4141242,00.html

[King_David]

3. Cease fires mean nothing to these terrorists.

Israel must teach them a lesson.
Cease fires do not work with those that do not value other peoples lives including their own people.
They only value their own lives and if thats what they want they should be taught a lesson.
I doubt anyone will mourn their death.
For the 1st time,I agree with Netanyahu,His duty is to stop this terrorism by all means possible,it is not a choice.

[vminfla]

7. Can you imagine the US agreeing to a cease fire in an armed conflict on a regular basis

It is beyond creduluous to expect a liberal state like Israel to continuously agree to allow terrorists time to rearm themselves.

[shaayecanaan]

9. Can you imagine the US agreeing to relinquish 78% of their historical homeland?

Neither can I. The Palestinians have already done this but Israel still wants to keep some of the remaining 22%.

On the other hand, if someone came and occupied three-quarters of the US mainland, I could imagine the Montana Militiamen firing home-made rockets at them until the end of time.

Basically, Israel doesnt have too many options. Kill every man woman and child in Gaza and its genocide. Reoccupy Gaza and lose more men to gunfire than you would to Qassams otherwise. Or simply take the ceasefire, which is what they will do.

Traditionally, Israel says that it doesnt agree to a ceasefire, but as long as there is no escalation, then it will refrain from taking any action. Same thing, basically.

[King_David]

10. I guess that is the reason they can not leave the West Bank in such a hurry.

What exactly are the Gaza demands? Leave Gaza ? lol

[shaayecanaan]

11. No, its not...

Abbas has done everything short of cutting off his own balls and sending them to Netanyahu in a jar that he can keep on his desk. Even Israel admits that everything that they could possibly ask Abbas to do from a security perspective, he has done.

Israel stays in the West Bank because it can. And it stays in the Golan Heights because it can. It left Lebanon and Gaza because it got shot at too much.

[pelsar]

15. look around.....its called reality....a harsh world for some

In egypt the army is in control and MB is making their move, In Libya, seems al quida and friends have taken control, in Tunisia the islamists won, Iran is still going strong after its own 'arab spring" Hamas has gaza firmly in control, Syrian is busy killing its own...

none of those events have anything to do with democracy, civil rights, minority rights, freedom of speech..and a stable govt.

Abbas can clearly see whats in store for him if he doesn't keep his fanatics under control. He's hardly doing it as a favor for israel. Israel also sees clearly whats instore for the west bank if there is instability or the "wrong" people get control, which is highly possible given the environment.....with a new level of instability and violence.

all it takes is one to open both eyes to the events that are now taking place...and to place civil rights, western democracy above nationalism as the most important value, which apparently it isn't for many.

[shaayecanaan]

18. It has everything to do with democracy...

when the Islamists in Tunisia win government in free and fair elections, in the same way that it is perfectly democratic for Israelis to vote for a fascist like Lieberman.

If you will only allow democracy to the Palestinians when they agree to vote for parties that you like, then a) that isn't democracy, and b) the occupation will continue forever.

[pelsar]

20. elections do not make a democracy....nor do revolutions

democracies require enough education so that if a fascist/extremist govt is elected, they do not have the ability to stop the next round of elections....which is what the extremists do:

you will notice that hamas as well as the PA have "put off" the election cycle. Hamas, who got elected, does not believe in democracy and will not support it. You will see a repeat of such in Tunisia once they solidify their control of the govt...hence it should be clear that having elections do not make a democracy.

Furthermore though non democratic players may represent a temporary majority (islamist) in electing them, by electing them one destroys the democracy and restricts the next generation from having that democracy as its 'pulled out from under their feet".

that is why elections alone do not make a democracy

The Palestinians need the culture of democracy....after that, once that is established they're won't be a problem, because its that very culture that best protects the individual, creates stability and allows for the voices of peace to be heard.

creating a nation that does not believe in basics of democracy, simply leads to an occupation.....

[shira]

27. Our Progressive friends here don't particularly prefer real democracy over totalitarianism. NT

[shira]

12. Pity that you don't see any part of that area as the Jews' historic homeland too. n/t

[King_David]

13. None of them do,they will show you a bogus map ,if you ask them nt

[shaayecanaan]

14. I have no problems with Israel keeping the 78% they have taken already...

I just think that a reasonable outcome would be for them to stop taking any more of the remaining 22%, and for them to return most of what has been illegally seized since 1967.

[shira]

16. So none of that land is the Jews' historic homeland too? n/t

[shaayecanaan]

17. Home is where the heart is, I suppose...

for Israeli Jews, who have lived and loved there all their lives, it is their home. For an internet warrior who lives in Canada, who has no intention of moving to Israel and who could not, at a glance, distinguish Israel from the far side of the moon, it is not their home.

[vminfla]

21. In comparison to US, arabs are demanding everything East of the Colorado River

If Israel were the US, with all of the land Israel has either *already* relinquished or are asked to give up from the Golan Heights to the Sinai Peninsula, the arabs are asking the equivalent of all land *EAST* of the Colorado River. Can you imagine the US relinquishing that much land?

[the antiterrorist]

22. Genocide?

Lets get this straight killing terrorists is not genocide its
nothing more than killing rabid dogs. To say Israel's only
options are to accept a ceasefire or kill every man woman and
child in gaza only shows your ignorance. Israel only targets
terrorists(which grant you is a large portion of those in
gaza)BUT NOT EVERYONE thus no genocide.By the way there are
many in gaza who wish Hamas and the other terrorists were gone
so they could get on with the peace process and have thier own
state.

[azurnoir]

23. and when Israel kills as many civilians as terrorists

its always just an oops, right?

oh BTW welcome to DU

[the antiterrorist]

24. oops huh?

oops happens when the terrorist cowards hide behind civillians and children.But I guess you cant call it oops then can you? Fight in the open like men avoid the oops. But that wont help your propaganda will it?

[azurnoir]

25. dead women and children are only propaganda is it?

and thanks for confirming that IDF is so bent on killing 'terrorists' that it will kill as many civilians as necessary to get to them?

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[vminfla]

2. Islamic Jihad definition of truce

Israel stops while IJ rearms.

[pelsar]

4. its a good system...been working for years...

the Palestinians attack (rockets, mortars etc) israel retaliates kills a few, the Palestinians shoot some more rockets and then declare a cease fire.....so when israel retaliates guess who gets blamed for "breaking the cease fire....or if they find themselves getting killed, its also time to call for a cease fire....

its about as credible as when hamas claims that they have no control over islamic jihad and their firing of the rockets or attacking israel.....and people believe that as well....

[azurnoir]

5. No Netanyahu was quite plain and refreshingly honest in his words

actually I prefer that sort of thing

[King_David]

8. He said the right things nt

[Kurska]

6. Islamic Jihad is trying to tap out again, but I think Israel isn't going to stop.

Until it has sent a rather harsh message to Islamic Jihad about the overwhelming response that such random attacks will be met with.

[jimmie]

19. OMG

Is that one of those Hudna's ?