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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:40 PM Original message |
Abbas: Arab world was wrong to reject 1947 Partition Plan |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Israel ain't going back to the 1947 lines, Abbas. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But Abbas is not asking for 1947 lines he is asking for the 1949 lines |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. He will not get all of that either. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Ariel will need to be returned to the Palestinians |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Ariel will have to be part of a land swap n |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not possible |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Shira is my colleague? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Absolutely... |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. As much as one could be on the Internet |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Just promise me we won't see you guys staggering home later singing "Kumbuyah"...ok? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. The land swaps would be worthless. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. a nation without civil rights....that is your proposal |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. That is NOT my position and you know it. Stop repeating a falsehood. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. This whole post is rambling offensive nonsense. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. What's offensive is to pretend that the Occupation is about gay rights |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Is it too much to expect "Progressive" members of Team Palestine to stand up for gays, women... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Of course we stand up for them |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I see Liberals standing up for them. Not the "Progressive Left", which basically enables |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. My support of the Arab Spring proves you wrong about that |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. All data shows things getting worse WRT the Arab Spring, with Islamist extremists.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. That isn't true. They've already scheduled elections in Libya |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
83. Electing the MB or al-Qaeda into power in Libya doesn't strengthen Arab liberals. Here's an article |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
108. It is good. Change is good. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. Oh really? Was Iranian change from the Shah to the Ayatollah good too? Be honest now. NT |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. The Shah HAD to be overthrown. There was no alternative to doing that |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:22 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. actually your wrong again.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 05:35 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. You improperly edited that last quote |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #132 |
141. oops ..i made a mistake ..sorry.. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:42 AM Response to Reply #141 |
148. No, it's not a belief. It's a product of study of the situation. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:36 AM Response to Reply #148 |
154. lets take your product 'study" as fact for a second |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Ken, why can't you admit that the overthrow of the Shah made matters far worse for Iranians? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. I'm supporting the FIRST part of that...the overthrow of the Shah |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. See #145. As for your question.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #146 |
150. In Iran, those WEREN'T the only choices |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Ken, are Iranians better off under the Ayatollahs now or under secular dictatorship? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. Sick nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I will agree that you are the "go-to guy" about immature ramblings. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Edited |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. i just commented on your hierarchy of values..just you, nobody else |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I want those things at the start |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. yes you want those things..but its not essential..and that is the point |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Of course rights aren't essential for Palestinians... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. I have said here that I disagree with Hamas on its religious agenda and many other things |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. The Progressive Left rarely, if ever, criticizes Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, Syria, etc. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. It's a lie to say that the only way to get civil rights in the PA constitution |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. If Israel never occupied anything, those territories would be Jordanian/Egyptian.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. the PLO was formed in 1964, when Palestine was UNDER Jordanian rule |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. It proves him RIGHT. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Yitzak Rabin proposed that a Palestinian state, made up of the West Bank and Gaza |
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independentminded (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
171. As true as that is, shira, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Twice, the PLO has turned down offers to end the occupation and have their own state, in 2000/2008 |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-08-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. The PLO will reject any offer that results in Israel surviving |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #45 |
65. now concentrate on the question...you keep answering what is not asked |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Israel as the Jewish state would a stunning form of nationalism wouldn't you say? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 02:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. israel is very nationalistic |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Those rights should be built in to EVERY country's constitution |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:15 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. this is difficult for you isn't it? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. I NEVER said nationalism was more important than rights |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. ...you've made that very clear, you just don't want to admit it |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. NOT my values and you've consistently twisted my words. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
142. ken..you have poor reading comprehension.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #142 |
151. I do oppose the creation of nondemocratic states. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #151 |
155. you make up your own arguments...contradict yourself and then complain... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 02:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. you reject the hierarchy...hmmm |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:12 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You're trying to get me to admit to a position I don't take |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. but you do support nationalism over civil rights |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. I do not support nationalism over civil rights |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
123. Then prove it. What will you and your leftist network do once Israel ends the occupation & Hamas... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. We'll support human rights. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #125 |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. There was no alternative to overthrowing the Shah |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. except that iran is now in a worse situation..... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:39 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. I do not prefer the second. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:55 AM Response to Reply #147 |
156. yet would support getting rid them knowing full well |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Ken, you don't get that it's not progressive replacing one occupation for another that is far worse. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. the defeat of Hamas is not MORE IMPORTANT than everything else |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. You favor one occupation (by Hamas/PLO) over another (Israel). Why not admit it? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Those people do not really want the Occupation returned in Hamas |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
84. Yeah, not really despite what they say. They prefer zero rights over the rights they used to have. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
109. Palestinians never had rights under Israeli rule in Gaza |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Post #37 shows most Palestinians prefer Israeli occupation over Hamas/PLO occupation. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:02 AM Response to Reply #109 |
157. wrong again....and again and again and again and again.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. What I don't "get"(because it isn't actually true) is the claim that occupying the West Bank |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Ken, you can't favor an occupation that is worse (Hamas/PLO) over another. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. That isn't what I favor |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. ??? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. absolute statements are his standard..... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. OK, a handful might...but those who really believe in the Occupation |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
87. The IDF serves in the territories b/c they know what will happen if they don't. See Gaza/Lebanon... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
98. that is just flat out untrue. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Look, Shaktimaan, you know as well as I do that keeping the IDF in the West Bank |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #107 |
130. Hey, I do realize that... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
75. An independent Palestinian state would NOT be an Occupation. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Under Hamas/PLO control, it certainly would be an occupation as those quotes prove |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. Nothing that YOU advocate can possibly help democratize Palestine |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. and now finish the thought... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. It isn't possible for Israel to forcibly remove the PA leadership OR Hamas |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #50 |
67. jesus...you just make stuff up |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Those countries are free because of the U.S. victory in the war, not because of the occupations |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. They were OCCUPIED |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. They may have been occupied, but everyone knew those occupations would end in five years or so |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. one point is finally established |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. but you quite conveniently seem to forget that it was a "working democrcy" that produced Nazi |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. snore... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I pointed out the reasons the examples were 'problematic' |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. nope. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. How so ? Germany was a democracy that is how the Nazis came to power |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
116. Good point. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. i didn't forget...it was not relevant to the discussion.. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #102 |
152. It's not like Macarthur was creating American settlement blocs in Japan |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #152 |
161. stay on "target"....your confusing yourself again |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. You mean stay on your target lol which of course excludes Israel |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. The Palestinians have lost MANY civil rights they used to have under IDF control... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. name exactly what rights Palestinians lost when no longer under IDF control |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Rights like freedom of speech, far better law and order, no restrictions on women and minorities... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. you chuck up a bunch of unlinked stuff from years ago and we're supposed to think |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. your getting more like ken..... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. People like me? that seems so popular amoung some |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #167 |
170. yes, i believe in your past posts...you've made it clear |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. The situation in postwar Germany and Japan has nothing in common with the situation in Palestine |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. i'm helping you.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. The postwar occupations were a ONE TIME situation |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #118 |
144. you spend too much time arguing with yourself |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #144 |
153. I do not believe what you say I believe. Stop lying about me |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #153 |
158. your logic not mine |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. But of course... |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
174. Why is it that those who argue so fervently for arabs go silent for Kurds |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. the Palestinians won't even get the land they're on right now. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Nothing short of at least the land they're on now can possibly be acceptable |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. Well duh, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. No Arab leader EVER used the phrase "drive the Jews into the sea" |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Google it yourself |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. One guy said it decades AFTER 1948...I'll accept that... |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Then explain to me |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It isn't |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Really |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
90. Can't I guess |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
92. Deleted message |
aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
8. This seems close to something big. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Now, to match it, we need an Israeli political leader to admit |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
162. Well, no. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. That doesn't mean that the whole thing was solely the Arabs' fault, though |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. best educated arab population in the world |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. They could have done that WITHOUT the Occupation |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. What occupation? |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. Yep not your type of 'progressive' |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:32 AM Response to Reply #62 |
88. Gay rights and fighting Jew hatred are not as important as empowering extreme rightwing fascists... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
119. I support gay rights and oppose the hatred of anyone, including Jews |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. But you won't advocate for gays when Hamas/PLO gains power - once the occupation ends, right? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. I support the Arab Spring, and the cause of liberation for all. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #126 |
136. And if the Arab Spring results in another Islamic revolution like Iran, you support that? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Supporting the overthrow of the Shah does NOT equate |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. You prefer the worst of 2 bad choices. A theocratic fascist dictatorship over a secular one. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. I do not support the worst of 2 bad choices |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:15 AM Response to Reply #149 |
160. The only 2 bad choices in hindsight were the Shah and Khomeini. Which is worse? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. The same could have been said about Blacks in the US south |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. The same could be said about American Astronauts in the Soyuz capsules |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. yes your reply is quite nonsensical I will agree n/t |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Just like yours |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #43 |
64. oh but painfully it does the comparison between the state of Palestinians with or without |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
94. The occupation isn't about racism. You know that. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #94 |
115. You defend the occupation and your posts DRIP with anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab racism |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Try backing that bullshit up, okay? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. I don't demonize anyone. I simply criticize a government |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #128 |
137. You demonize the entire IDF when you claim they only serve because they wish to rule/subjugate |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #64 |
95. Throwing about bombastic jingoism like "apartheid" and "jim crow" does not make it true |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
93. actually... |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
110. Actually not |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #110 |
129. yes, but... |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Again, it was the Israeli run schools that resulted in the high literacy rates |
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