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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 03:27 PM Original message |
Sorry, Dr. King Did Not Consider You An Enlightened Anti-Zionist. Deal With It. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. X |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Times change. Affiliations change. Perspectives change. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. That's not quite true. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. It is as true today as it was then. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. King and I are on the same page. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I think much of the confusion is between liberals and progressives/leftists |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Not to derail the thread, but I've been one of those Kurd Cryers for many, many decades. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ah, the good old argument from authority. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. You really hate Zionism huh? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I'm a) English and b) liberal. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Zionism is in no way colonialism.... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Support for an independent Jewish state is colonial? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Define Zionism is it simply supporting Israel's right to exist or has it come to mean supporting |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Your answer is wrong |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Please do YOU really consider Richard Silverstein to be a Zionist |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. "Any half-way decent human being whose spent five minutes reading this blog knows what I am" |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Well, to me it just means Israel's right to continued existence |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. well in that case I too am a Zionist |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. how did you come to this conclyusion? |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. It is astounding nt |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. aha yepper you oppose "expanding the settlements" but do you oppose |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. I am no fan of the settlement movement. |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Your logic there |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. For that matter, what is pro-Palestinianism? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. well right now the Palestinians have asked for the West Bank and East Jerusalem along with Gaza |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. It means that you want them to succeed as they define success. |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Which lands you into the |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Hell yes. N.T. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. It's not just Dr. King, but the EUMC working def'n that also defines anti-Zionists as bigots. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Please stop repeating lies to me when I've repeatedly pointed out that they're lies. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's not just that antizionism CAN be a manifestation of bigotry, but that antizionist views... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Going down the list: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Do you think it's possible for an antizionist to match most of those descriptions... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. In theory, a sufficiently ignorant one might not. In practice, I doubt it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Thanks. When is it possible to exclude ignorance as an excuse? n/t |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Most of the time. N.T. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Let's start by focusing on the very top of the list, where you say it's bigoted by definition... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Anyone who suggests that killing civilians is legitimate is a bad person. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The charge against the flotilla people is not a vile slander at all.... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Please stop repeating lies to me when I've repeatedly pointed out that they're lies. |
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BeenThereDoneThat (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Credit for not beating behind the bush |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Nah I think your just "still" rebelling against your family |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yeah... I don't think so. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Read the OP to see what Dr. King really said. n/t |
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Quartermass (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. He is absolutely one million percent right.. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
32. I've always agreed with King on this. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Not quite, IMO |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. I have never understood this argument. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. There is a difference between hating an individual or group; and supporting a programme which may be |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Historically, nationalism has always been a curse. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No better or morally superior alternative exists for Jews worldwide. n/t |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. That is false, nationalism has not always been a curse and in fact was far from a curse many times |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. LOL. I'll have to think about this. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
33. I myself admire the man... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Can you point me to some of his statements about gay marriage? |
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King_David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Please tell |
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