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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 08:09 PM
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With the Flood of 9 "peace plans" now out - do folks at DU like one best?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 08:19 PM by papau
1. There is the Hollywood type's rather undefined peace plan called One Voice that calls for an extensive referendum of Israelis and Palestinians on a wide range of core issues, in order to determine areas of common ground between the peoples.

2. There is the Sheike Yassin vision of a one-state - Islamic Arab State - solution under which "all Palestinians can live in their homeland, with all religions together: Muslims, Christians and Jews." If there is to be a place for a Jewish state. "They could set up a state in Europe," Yassin said. A step to this vision is Hunda II - Arabic for temporary truce – that retains right of return but will let Jews give up pieces of control on the way to a single Arab state solution. Mubarak and Qureia have been unable to sell the no killing Jews idea to other that Fatah (who appears willing to suspend terror attacks for a period of at least a year, in return for assurances by Israel that it would freeze construction of settlements and the separation fence, pull the IDF back from PA territory re-occupied during the intifada, and halt assassinations of Palestinian militants).

3. There is the Tourism Minister Benny Elon, of the National Union party single state solution"The Right Road To Peace" where there is recognition of Jordan as the "only legitimate representative of the Palestinians," and Israeli annexation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and while making no direct reference to population transfer, states that, "The relocation and rehabilitation of the Palestinian refugees in Arab lands will complete the population exchange process begun in the 1940s."

4. There is the Moshe Feiglin, head of the Likud's Jewish Leadership faction single state solution "The Jewish Road Map" where there is full Israeli sovereignty over the whole of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and Arabs will be expelled for attacks upon Jews, while the Palestinians in the territories "who demonstrate their loyalty to the Jewish State's hospitality and accept the Jewish People's sovereignty over the Jewish People's land will be granted legal residency and issued a legal resident's identification card, be permitted to continue to conduct their private affairs without anyone harming their human rights: be able to make a good living, build their homes, bring up and educate their children as they wish in their current place of residence, etc. However, they will have no political right to vote for the Knesset, or any national rights. National rights may be obtained and exercised in any one of the 22 Arab countries of their choosing." and of course Arabs will be encouraged to voluntarily emigrate, "Transfer is a just solution..."

5. There is the Yesha Council of Settlements single state plan for a single Jewish state in all of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian Authority would be entirely dismantled, and the territories would be divided into gerrymandered districts or "cantons," with representation apportioned so that Jews would retain overall control regardless of the demographic distribution. Law would mandate that the prime minister of Israel be a Jew, regardless of demography. Arab Cantons in the current Israel are rejected as a partition of the Land of Israel by many Rabbis. ,

6. There is the Sharon Plan that appears to unilaterally evacuate of settlers from a number of existing Gaza Strip settlements, with soldiers, in some cases, taking their places as the settlements are restructured as army bases. A small number of isolated West Bank settlements may also be removed, while Israel effectively annexes such settlement areas as Maaleh Adumim and Gush Etzion. As a 04 Bush election gesture, Sharon would resume talks with PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia's government, based on the road map, with the objective the establishment of a Palestinian state with interim borders by mid-2004, but post the election and the expected deadlock or collapse, Israel would declare that there was no possibility of reaching an accord at present, and would define its own borders, following the route of the separation fence, including an eastern strip that would place the Jordan Rift valley within Israel, leaving 43 percent of the West Bank in Israeli hands, including the bulk of the settlers and settlements. The plan would still require dozens of settlements to be dismantled, but would leave only 57 percent of the territory to the Palestinians. Details will be reveiled at the Herzliya Conference next week that are expected cede most of the West Bank city of Hebron to the Palestinians, but with Israel retaining control over the Cave of the Patriarchs, the adjacent settlement of Kiryat Arba, and a strip of Jewish settlement within Hebron linking the two.

7. There is Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s two state plan where, in the absence of a meaningful peace process, Israel would unilaterally pull out of most of the territories and parts of East Jerusalem, leaving the bulk of the West Bank and Gaza to an independent Palestinian state, such that in Israel 80 percent of its residents would be Jews and 20 percent Muslims, with borders likely to be close to the Green Line, but with major settlement blocs such as Ariel, Maaleh Adumim, and Gush Etzion, annexed to Israel, in contrast to Arab "outlying neightborhoods" of East Jerusalem ceded to Palestine.

8. Then there are the two plans that follow Clinton’s Taba. Predating Geneva by a year – and less detailed - is the Peoples’ Voice two state solution where "Jerusalem will be an open city," the capital of the respective states of Israel and Palestine, with neither side holding formal sovereignty over the holy places. Approval is sought via a mass petition campaign with at least 126,000 Israelis and 65,000 Palestinians having signed the petitions of support.


9. Finally there is the detailed, ready to sign plan known as the Geneva Accord now being sold as a template for the final stage of the U.S.-EU-UN-Russian-backed road map peace plan.. Palestinians would effectively if not explicitly renounce the right of return of refugees to Israeli territory, and Israel would concede sovereignty over the Temple Mount, or Noble Sanctuary, with an independent Palestine on nearly the whole of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In return for full Israeli recognition, Palestine would explicitly recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and end all violence and incitement against it. The sovereign territory of Palestine would encompass nearly all existing settlements, including Ariel, Efrat, Kiryat Arba, Ofra, Elon Moreh, Bet El, Eli and Har Homa, and all Gaza Strip enclaves. The exceptions would include Maaleh Adumim, the Etzion bloc excluding Efrat, a number of Jewish neighborhoods in the north of Jerusalem, and a strip near Latrun, intended for defense of Ben-Gurion International Airport. An equivalent small area of the Israeli western Negev would be appended to Palestinian Gaza. Palestine would agree to be a non-militarized state, with a strong security force for law enforcement. An international force would be deployed for supervision of implementation. Jerusalem would be physically divided, with Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem and the Old City to become the capital of Palestine, and western and northern Jewish neighborhoods of the city, as well as the Old City's Jewish Quarter to be the capital of Israel. The Temple Mount or Noble Sanctuary would be under Palestinian sovereignty, the Western Wall under Israeli. UN Resolution 194 and the Saudi peace initiative’s right of return of Palestinian refugees to Israel proper would effectively end by granting Israel the authority to decide how many could come back.

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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 08:22 PM
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1. Do you think you could
not limit the one-state plans to either a Hamas plan vs. a Likudnik-style strategy of ethnic cleansing?

It is really unfair to characterize any one-state idea as being limited to these extremists. Plenty of moderate and humanist thinkers and writers have promoted one-state solutions, which ought to be considered too.

For the record, I am for picking up where Taba left off, when Barak walked out on the talks.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 08:36 PM
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2. Agreed
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:15 PM
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3. A humanist one state plan that goes beyond "One Voice "? I
could find articles and speeches, but only One State has sponsors and PR - at least as far as I could tell.

Is there a detailed one state plan?

If so could you post the outline of the plan, along with the name of the group sponsoring it?

Thanks!

:-)
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:25 PM
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4. They're the only one-state plans possible
Sadly, the only possible way for there to be a viable and violence-free one-state solution in the immediate future is for one side or the other to kick the other side out (or else to kill it)
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:27 PM
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5. 9, with reservations
Though I agree with Resistance -- where Taba left off should be at the very least the basis for sensible discussion -- Geneva moves in that direction quite reasonably I think.

It is certainly generous enough to Israelis (huge concessions are wrought from the Palestinians), acceptable to the United States (at least with regards to declared policy) and probably would lay the groundwork for the end of the conflict.

This is all in the short to medium term of course. Given geography and the inter-state ties which would likely develop within just a few decades, it seems sensible if both people desire to move towards some kind of federation and perhaps a democratic one-state solution in the long-term.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:23 AM
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6. 2 or 9 with revisions to either
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 12:24 AM by Aidoneus
9 with two serious alterations:--right of return is not taken off the table, the new Palestinian state is not demilitarized.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:39 AM
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7. Are the modifications imposed by US? Isn't 9 as modified really 2?
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