Israel imposes 'racist' marriage law

[DeathvadeR]

Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel. The move was denounced by human rights organisations as racist, undemocratic and discriminatory.

Under the new law, rushed through yesterday, Palestinians alone will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship.

Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel.

<http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=429490>

And we think we have problems with same-sex marriages

[LoneStarLiberal]

1. Disturbingly Selective

Disturbingly selective.

And this coming from the Knesset in the same week when Tom DeLay was so cheerfully welcomed.

Is there any chance we might ship Tom over to Israel for good? I'm sure some kibbutz is in need of a Likud representative. Actually, Tom would be more along the lines of Shas...Likud is a little too liberal for his tastes.

While we're at it, I'll offer up all the other intolerant evangelical nutballs in the state of Texas to go along with Tom. They have been and are actively ruining my wonderful Lone Star State.

[mbperrin]

3. They've been f*cking it up for a good long while now...

Here's a thought - shouldn't they be IN "the promised land" waiting for Jesus even now?

I'll help them pack! No, wait, their treasure is in heaven, so they can leave immediately!!!!

PLEASE!

[quilp]

2. So! Whats new? Israel has always gotten away with this behaviour!

Why aren't these laws seen as much as "terrorism" as what the Palestinians are so frequently accused of? Next the Israelis will be pointing to these Palestinians as "immoral" because their children are "illegitimate". These "illegitimate" children will lose what small legal rights remain for Palestinians. The Rightwing "Christians" in the US will fully accept this kind of reasoning. There will be no protest from Bush inspite of his "support" of marriage.

[StandWatie]

4. actually..

they won't point at them at all, because they are going to be shipped off to the tender mercies of the occupied territories.

[Cassandra]

5. Jews don't have the same hectoring position..

about "illegitimacy" as Christians seem to, probably because the Jewish line descends through the mother. Someone might bring it up (unlikely) but it wouldn't have the kind of resonance through the community as you seem to think. I see no evidence, anyway, that illegitimacy is the point of this. It's security against suicide/homicide bombers and a slowing of return in the form of marriage. The terrorism they're trying to stop is the kind that kills people.

[Resistance]

6. If Israelis really wanted to stop terrorism

they would stop engaging in it.

[Equinox]

12. Excellent retort...

n/t

[quilp]

7. The Jews may not. But the "Christian Right" over here sure do.

Since the Israelis have killed more people than the Palestinians their efforts don't seem to be working. But perhaps the Palistinians killed aren't "people"?

[Resistance]

8. makes you wonder, doesn't it

when a little boy can be riddled with machine gun fire, the whole thing called a "mistake", and the issue immediately dropped and forgotten about - yeah the racism is shocking and appalling.

[quilp]

9. There was more media fuss made over that little kid sent back to Cuba.

To be with his father. The boy you mentioned was killed in front of his father! It's all this "leftwing" media we have here.

[Cassandra]

11. Since you'd prefer a straw man...

to a serious response, here's one

You can go back to your circle jerk now.

[quilp]

16. Do Jews think of "The Christian Right" as "straw men'?

Who on earth do you think persecuted them all through history? The Muslims?

[Darranar]

17. As a Jew...

I despise the Christian Right and what they stand for, not only for their former persecution of the Jews and others but for their intolerant and neocon stances on gay rights, abortion, and other important issues.

[LoneStarLiberal]

13. Good point...

I think the problem that both Israel and the Palestinian Authority face is that this debacle is so steeped in blood and antagonism that it will take an act of exceptional character to break out of the cycle of violence. Passing marriage laws and building fences might stem the violence that Israelis face, but it will not stop it anymore than armed incursions into places like Jenin stopped the bombings.

If Israel fences off the entirety of its borders with both the Palestinian Authority and its neighboring Arab countries, the bombings will decrease, but they will not stop? Why? Because borders, even if fenced off, are permeable.

Israel cannot retaliate its way to security any more than the United States can invade its way to security. What has to be engaged in both cases is a serious discussion of the problems at hand on the most fundamental of levels; I feel that in both cases (Israel and the United States), political conservatives poison this discussion because of their views of religious and hegemonic priviledge at the national level. This is why conservative leaders are always going to hopelessly fail at being peacebuilders...because they fundamentally do not believe in peace; they believe in a perpetual rolling war, a Christian and Jewish version of jihad if such a concept existed.

The real question is who blinks? We all know what happened to the last legitimate person to blink in the Levant: Prime Minister Rabin paid in blood for his act of exceptional character. I hope that the cease-fire will hold long enough for another moment for exceptional action to present itself to the leadership on both sides.

[newyorican]

14. APB on Statesmen, eh?

Abbas may follow Rabin, unless something is done about the wall he will be seen as the US-Israeli hand-picked overseer of the walls construction. On the scene to "keep things quiet", so to speak.

[Darranar]

15. He condemned it...

I sincerely hope that that will protect him somewhat.

[vierundzwanzig]

10. Let them go ahead

a few more of these stunts abd they will have burned some bridges. There will cine a tune where the straw break the camel's back.

[Lithos]

18. Locking

Dupe, please continue here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=3477&mesg_id=3477

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