Israeli chopper strike wounds civilians

[Resistance]

Aljazeera

At least eleven Palestinians were wounded after two Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at a car in the Gaza Strip in an assassination attempt on Tuesday evening.

One person inside the vehicle, believed to be a member of the Islamic resistance movement, Hamas, was wounded in the attack. Witnesses told Aljazeera that they saw two persons escape from the vehicle.

It was the second missile strike in Gaza in less than a week.

The first missile landed about 70 metres from the vehicle in Gaza City's Shaikh Radwan neighbourhood.

The second missile directly hit the car. Bystanders were wounded by flying glass and shrapnel.

[Resistance]

1. and so begins

another "lull" in violence

[Resistance]

2. remember last time

117 Palestinians killed, hundreds injured during medias "relative calm"

On December 25, an Israeli assassination squad killed five Palestinians in Gaza, and injured fifteen. Three of the dead were civilians. A short time later, a Palestinian blew himself up at a bus stop in the Tel Aviv suburb of Petah Tikva, killing four Israelis, three of whom were confirmed by Ha'aretz to be soldiers.

Many leading media organizations were quick to declare that these two incidents marked the end of a period of "relative calm" or "lull" in Israeli-Palestinian violence, that had supposedly lasted since the last Palestinian suicide attack in Haifa on 4 October.

In fact, the period since 4 October has been one of intense Israeli violence, in which 117 Palestinians were killed, including 23 children. At the same time, Israel destroyed almost five hundred Palestinian homes throughout the Occupied Territories.

[SwellGround]

6. a Palestinian blew himself up at a bus stop in the Tel Aviv suburb of Peta

I hope his family is not proud of his terrorist attack. Perhaps if the families of these demented child murderers condemed the actions of their sick children instead of planting posters of their murderous ones on poles things would take a positive approach.

[Resistance]

8. Are you also against

the child murdering which the Israeli Occupation Army engages in too?

[SwellGround]

12. If Israel targeted kids I would condemn it

When Israel attacks the ones that are targerting Israeli kids they have a very hard job since the coward suicide bomber supporters hide behind innocent Palestinians. The good and decent Palestinians need to flush out these terrorists among them and save innocent lives.

[Resistance]

13. recent stories

Israeli troops fire on schoolchildren

One Palestinian teenager was killed and up to five wounded after Israeli occupation soldiers opened fire on schoolchildren returning home in the West Bank town of Nablus.

According to Aljazeera's correspondent, 17-year-old Raji Rayan, of the Balata refugee camp, was struck in the head by Israeli troops who fired live or rubber bullets. The extent of the injuries of those wounded is not known.

Also this: Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred (unarmed boy murdered)

Mohammed was eating beans and bread when he heard the soldiers outside. He stood up and ran to close the door, but stopped and turned back when he saw the soldier.

It is not clear what threat the soldier identified from the seven-year-old, but he fired and Mohammed fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.

[Aidoneus]

17. lies! lies! all lies!

another hideous lie:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=461648
(a pay link now, but I posted it here at the time.. should be in the archives somewhere)

[Resistance]

19. reprinted story on Miftah's website:

Mahmud, 10, Went Looking for Songbirds ... and Died in Hail of Bullets

Mahmud al-Qayed was out doing what he did every Friday - catching songbirds in cages to sell in the markets of Gaza. But yesterday the remote olive groves where the birds nest led him close to the fence separating the Gaza Strip from Israel. Too close for the soldiers guarding the fence.

They shot Mahmud, 10, four times, killing him as he tried to run.

The boy's father, Mohammed, was with him, and, at the funeral, he told how he took the bloodstained sweater from his son's dead body, and buried his face in it.


This was not the first time a birdcatcher has been killed next to the fence here. Mahmud was the fifth to die here since the intifada began in 2000. He was the youngest, but before him a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old had also been killed.

[Aidoneus]

20. ah, that's useful

thanks..

[SwellGround]

22. Please...miftah? All these anti-Jewish sites don't add up to anything real

As long as the terrorists hide behind innocents then innocents will get hurt.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. It appeared in the Independent...

Which was the first link Aidoneus provided. Instead of labelling everything you disagree with anti-Semitic, how's about actually reading the article, and if you want to dispute what's reported, doing that instead of attacking the source?

btw, there were no terrorists hiding behind anyone in the article that was posted for you to read....

Violet...

[SwellGround]

21. Sorry, I don't consider aljazeera a reliable source

aljazeera is anti-Jewish and very much geared to discredit Israel at all costs. Please provide a reliable source.

[Darranar]

34. Do you even read it?

[Gimel]

25. Like the unarmed girl

at the Tel Aviv bus stop. Murdered. Intentionally targeted.

[Resistance]

33. Uhh, no

SwellGround asked for incidents of Israel targeting kids, and it was given. Unless you're trying to say that Israel targeted an unarmed girl in Tel Aviv, your point here is irrelevant.

[Gimel]

41. No it isn't

How can it be irrelevant? A seventeen year old is a child. She was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber working for a Palestinian terrorist organization PFLP.

The IDF does not target innocent civilians, adult or child, so there is not answer to your questions. I don't interpret the post of SwellGround as you do. Don't twist my statement to fit in your fill-in-the-blank format.

[newyorican]

37. Were the IDF soldiers...

hiding behind this innocent girl in a brave or cowardly manner? You seem to continuosly overlook the fact that 3 out of 4 killed were IDF soldiers. If being off-duty makes them non-combatants(which is questionable in this context), then perhaps the IDF should post it's duty roster throughout the WB and Gaza.

[Gimel]

43. It's not a sporting event

In fact, IDF troops inside Israel should be considered on home ground, and not legitimate targets for "resistance".

[Aidoneus]

11. 75% of the dead were IDF

And anyway that was PFLP, I assume the target here was Hamas (it being in the prison wing called Gaza). Apparently Nablus & Rafah are brutalized enough for one month, time to move on to Gaza City (leaving out the invasion and attack of Khan Younis earlier).

[Gimel]

23. 66.6% of the IDF were women

While women serve in the army they are not in combat units. Therefore, they perform humanitarian services. It is a war crime to target non-combat units.

[SwellGround]

27. Killing IDF is every bit as bad as killing civilians

The IDF is there to protect and serve. In America if you kill a policeman you are in big trouble. The same should hold true in Israel for killing any IDF trying to protect and serve the innocent.

[Violet_Crumble]

29. Completely wrong...

If you honestly believed that it's just as bad to kill an IDF troop as it is to kill a civilian, then suicide bombings carried out on civilian targets inside Israel wouldn't be seen as any worse than an attack on an IDF patrol in the Occupied Territories...


The IDF who are killed in the Occupied Territories AREN'T in Israel. They're engaged in a military occupation and as such are legally legitimate targets in any resistance. If you don't believe me, check out what international law has to say on the issue...

Violet...

[SwellGround]

32. If the IDF are legitimate targets for killing then what's to stop the IDF?

Why can't the IDF just march into the many terrorist nests and start capping the suspects?

[number6]

40. don't they do that already ?

"Why can't the IDF just march into the many terrorist nests and start capping the suspects?" and Innocent by standers too ...

[Darranar]

35. Untrue...

an IDF soldier is a legitimate target of Palestinian resistance, being a combatant.

An Israeli civilian is a noncombatant, and is therefore not a legitimate target of Palestinian resistance. Targetting them is a war crime.

[Gimel]

42. The question is

Is Palestinian "resistance" a legality? Are the Hamas and IJ legal entities? Is the PA supporting peace moves or is it carrying on warfare? It seems that if the Hams and IJ are acting as individual entities and conflicting with the PA leadership, these organizations are outlaws and illegal. Therefore, their activities and killings of IDF or Israeli civilians is illegal. About 2/3 of the Israeli deaths are civilian deaths, so most of the attacks have resulted in an alarming number of civilian deaths. Non-combat IDF soldiers are counted as IDF in this regard. IDF soldiers inside of Israel should not be considered legitimate targets, as they are in their home territory.

[SwellGround]

3. Was this against the latest palestinian terror attack on Israeli kids?

Or just a mop-up of the standard issue hamas terrorist that hides behind innocent Palestinians?

[Resistance]

4. No

it's just a routine Israeli terror attack on Palestinian civilians.

[SwellGround]

15. That can't be true

Israel does not perform terror attacks...they only respond to the terror against them.

[Resistance]

18. That is the same thing Hamas says

That they are "responding" to Israeli aggression.

The difference is that Hamas doesn't seem to have a problem calling it terror attacks, whereas the Israeli military pretends like everything they do is self-defense.

[SwellGround]

24. Comparing Israel to hamas is futile

Hamas are 100% terrorists and Israel is 100% a soverign nation. Please spare us the bogus juxtaposition.

[newyorican]

5. Neither...

It was a screw up. The supposed bad guy got away. Good to see your concern about innocents up front and center.

[Resistance]

7. Was it a screw up?

[SwellGround]

9. The second missile directly hit the car

At least Israel tries to attack the guilty party that murderes children and other innocent Israeli kids. I'll award them a a glod star for trying to eliminate the vermin that is killing so many innoent Israeli children.

[Resistance]

10. yeah right

that is hardly an explanation for why so many Palestinian civilians are murdered and wounded.

The Israeli Army is no better than Hamas. They both kill out of hatred for people from the other side.

[SwellGround]

14. The main reason so many Palestinian civilians are wounded is simple

The Palestinian terrorists hide behind innocents to save their bacon and wind up getting many innocents killed due to their efforts and cowardice.

[Resistance]

16. well we're both right

and we'd be wrong if either one of us tried to pretend like what the other was saying wasn't happening.

A portion of the Palestinian civilians are killed or wounded due to extremists hiding amongst them. (Note that this still doesn't excuse the Israeli military from not taking enough measures to prevent harming civilians). Another portion of Palestinian civilians are killed or wounded due to pure hatred on the part of the Israeli military. The question is how much for each portion. I say the killings due to hatred and outright Israeli terrorist attacks are too much. Way too much.

[Darranar]

36. I'd put it a little differently...

a large number of innocent Palestinian civilians are slaughtered because of destructive incursions made necessary when an army is trying to find a military solution to a guerilla war.

Resistance organizations (terrorist or not) operate by hiding among the civilian populace. That is why the most effective and least destructive means of destroying them is destroying their popular support.

[SwellGround]

26. Wrong again

Hamas are terrorists only and the IDF is there to stop terror. Please try to understand that hamas is 100% evil and does not deserve any Democratic support.

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[GabysPoppy]

38. It should be obvious?

Please make it less obvious to us sir/madam

"Sometimes terrible things must be done for a greater good."

What "terrible" things are you advocating or supporting?

1) Suicide bombers in Pizza Parlors, Restaurants and buses?

2) Drive by shootings?

3) Breaking into a home to murder a mother and child?

4) Driving all Israelis into the sea?

5) All of the above

Some of us "progressives" would like a direct answer so we know what we should root for.

[GabysPoppy]

39. kick