Suicide bombers' families criticise Islamic groups

[Scurrilous]

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=442312§ion=news

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"A suicide bombing by a Palestinian mother of two in Gaza last week has brought to the surface criticism within Palestinian society of what one commentator describes as a culture of death.

People from all walks of life in the West Bank and Gaza Strip expressed shock on Tuesday that the militant Islamic group Hamas sent Reem al-Reyashi to her death, leaving two toddlers behind."


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"Criticism has not been confined to her case. In the West Bank, dismay greeted a decision by another group, Islamic Jihad, to send 17-year-old Iyad al-Masri on a suicide mission on January 11. He killed only himself as an Israeli patrol passed some distance away."

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"The Masri and Reyashi cases broke the silence over the norm in Palestinian society that martyrdom must be celebrated and that suicide attacks are acts of heroism. A martyr in Islam is one who sacrifices himself for the sake of God or his country.
Surveys have shown that most Palestinians support suicide attacks -- 61.8 percent according to a poll last October by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Centre, which also found 34.9 percent opposed them, up from 29.8 percent 10 months previously."

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. surreal

i can just imagine the dialogue: "I can't believe the insensitivity of Hamas. To order a woman to blow up a cafe full of people, when she has two young ones at home to take care of. Has Hamas no sense of morality? They could have sent a single woman or man to kill dozens of evil Jewish people."

They have truly lost it over there man.

[bluesoul]

2. Oh yeah

those Palestinians have truely lost it, just the other side headed by Sharon and the likud gang is a voice of reason, peace and tolerance. Ooookkkk

[GabysPoppy]

7. Truly lost it is an American expression

meaning having lost one's senses. If blowing yourself up doesn't aptly fit the description, I wonder what does?

I thought progress was being made since the last figure I remember seeing was only(?) 50% supporting suicide bombings. Are we now redefining the word progress?

[bluesoul]

8. I KNOW what the term means

and someone saying the truely lost it is demonizing and generalizing. By such rules I could say the same based on the policies of Sharon for Israel as a whole, but I will not since I don't generalize and demonize. Expecting the same from others is apparently too much to ask..

[GabysPoppy]

9. Let's not generalize then

Did THIS woman "truly lose it?

[bluesoul]

10. Yes she did

but that doesnt mean that Palestinians as a whole did, as the poster above implied! And I quote "They have truely lost it over there man!"

[Violet_Crumble]

12. It's more universal than that...

It originated there but is used elsewhere. Implying that some loss of mental faculties is the reason for suicide bombings is to ignore that for many of those people, they make a rational decision to do what they do. I guess that scares some folk more than just labelling them as mentally unbalanced...

That poll again? As has been mentioned to you quite a few times, why do you take that poll as fact, when you dismissed a poll carried out in Israel because not every Israeli had been polled? Actually, a drop in support for suicide bombings is good news and is progress, and it doesn't need any redefinition of the word progress to come to that conclusion. The only people who'd not be happy with a drop in support for terrorism would be those who get a buzz out of constantly claiming the majority of Palestinians support suicide bombings...

Violet...

[GabysPoppy]

13. Rational for some?

WHO?

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Reread my post...

THE SUICIDE BOMBERS! It was clear that I was talking about them when I said suicide-bombers would make a rational decision to carry out an attack, but I can retype it in CAPS! if it'll help ;)

Violet...

[JM]

3. Actually...

...if the article can be believed, and if the second person discussed above was not a female/mother, then it would indicate to me that perhaps sane minds are starting to question the validity of both the martyrdom argument and the idea of killing for peace.

Later,
JM

[Scurrilous]

11. That's my take on it too...

...Palestinians are not of one mind on this issue.

[GabysPoppy]

14. Hopefully that will become truer in time

But that % stated in the article is still scary.

[drdon326]

4. Sadly ...it is a "culture of death".

"Surveys have shown that most Palestinians support suicide attacks -- 61.8 percent according to a poll last October by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Centre, which also found 34.9 percent opposed them, up from 29.8 percent 10 months previously."

and everyone is supposed to be impressed??

Arafat spews it to children
PA-media praises it.
Streets are named for them.
Parades are held for "shahids".

nothing short of pathologic.

[bluesoul]

5. Sure Don

they're ALL the same and therefor deserve to be killed, right?

[drdon326]

6. I'm not going to dignify that with an answer.

did i say that??


As for a "culture of death",when 62% support support murder by using kids and now women , you figure it out.