Israel determined to eliminate terrorist leadership

[Herschel]

- Israel's Chief of Staff told the nation Monday evening the Israel Defense Forces was preparing to go after the entire leadership of the Hamas and Palestine Islamic Jihad terror groups.

Speaking in a Channel 2 Television interview, Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon said that while Hamas' spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin was also in Israel's crosshairs, careful planning would have to go into the timing of his execution.

According to Ya'alon, the IDF's attacks on the Hamas leadership had hurt that organization's ability to carry out attacks, and should be stepped up.

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http://www.jnewswire.com/news_archive/04/01/040120_eliminate.asp

These eliminations are constructive. I wish the IDF success in these missions for justice.

[bluesoul]

1. Oh

no....

[Herschel]

2. Explain yourself

I do not understand your reply.

[bluesoul]

4. I'm

:scared:

[Herschel]

8. Leaders of terrorist

groups will become fewer. Be glad.

[drdon326]

16. Herschel...where ya been,boy??

i'm glad....and i'll be even happier the sooner
it happens.

[Comadreja]

18. Hopefully some of their missiles

will go off the mark and take out Sharon et al. They need to take out as many terrorists leaders as possible.

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[bemildred]

22. Hiya Hersch, welcome back.

Jump in, the water is hot.
:hi:

I think Yaalon is a half-wit, and I'm glad he is not
"protecting" me.

[leftyandproud]

13. This should be making terrorists...

:scared:

I dunno about you, but I want anyone in the white house...even dumbya to go after those people...especially al-queda

[bluesoul]

14. Like in

Iraq?

[leftyandproud]

3. um..

what is wrong with this?
going after the leadership is what they should be doing...stop messing with the families of each individual suicide bomber...cut off the head and the body dies...thoretically

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. Damn! I saw the headline and thought they were going to impeach sharon

Yaalon's affirmation that the Israeli government is opposed to the rule of law has already been posted, see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=47831

[Darranar]

21. These actions are legal.

[DuctapeFatwa]

24. Both bush and sharon regimes have decreed that they will murder anyone

they choose. They consider it their right, and they consider themselves above any international laws, treaties or conventions that preclude extrajudicial exectutions, assasinations, murders, whatever you want to call them.

[Darranar]

25. That is true...

but these people are combatants, and therefore legitimate targets.

[bemildred]

26. They've been "taking out the terrorist leadership"

for three years now. Am I supposed to believe this
"the gloves are off", "no more Mr. Nice Guy", "we really
mean it this time" bullshit again? These people are
arrogant, incompetent blowhards, and they don't WANT to do
what is really required to resolve this conflict, so they
keep trotting out this tripe over and over. :puke:

[Darranar]

27. Agreed...

but none of that changes the fact that if these people really are part of the terrorist leadership, they are legitimate targets.

[bemildred]

28. It was not intended to do that.

You know we agree about that.
I just felt a need to vent.
I get tired of the endless feckless ravings of these loons.

[DuctapeFatwa]

29. Again, back to the rule of law vs busharon decrees

According to busharon decrees, anyone they choose to murder is a "legitimate target."

The rule of law, on the other hand, would allow for legitimate target of criminal charges in a court, maybe, but not murder, which in itself would be actionable within the framework of a rule of law situation.

If Norway, for instance, just to take it away from Israel who has some rather unique notions on the subject, if Norway has evidence that Sheik Yassin, back when he could see and walk and did not wear Depends, was a perpetrator of a criminal act, the statute of limitations for which act had not yet occurred, in that case, Norway could work out an extradition with Palestine, to bring Sheik Yassin to Oslo to stand trial.

What they could not do is send a hit man down to the Levant to murder Sheik Yassin. To do so would not be in the interests of Norway as a nation in the world community, nor in the interest of Norwegian citizens at home and abroad.

Thus, any Norwegian government that did such things, or advocated them would forfeit any legitimacy, both international and domestic, that they might have previously enjoyed, and serious questions would be raised about the sovereignty of Norway itself.

That probably wouldn't happen overnight, like we see with the island of Niue, but it would happen, and the biggest losers of all would be the people of Norway.

[number6]

35. I think you have a point there..

"These people are arrogant, incompetent blowhards, and they don't WANT to do what is really
required to resolve this conflict, so they keep trotting out this tripe over and over."

mirror of bush admin ..

[bemildred]

36. Yep. nt

[Comadreja]

6. How effective

About as effective as putting out a fire with gasoline. They are just brutalizing themselves. The world stands aghast at their genocidal outrages, but Likud apologists applaud. They carry out their depredations with the old right-wing death squad cavalier arrogance.."kill them all and let God sort them out."

[bluesoul]

7. One has to wonder

how many more innocent Palestinians (children) will have to die along...

[Herschel]

9. It is unfortunate

that these children become collateral damage when Israel must deal with those that claim to fight on behalf of the children. Oh, my.

[bluesoul]

10. Oh my

indeed that I hear such excuses...

[Comadreja]

12. Collateral Damage?

You dare use this sick term here? I suppose you would feel a sense of justice if you and your family were blown to bits by a missle strike on your next-door neighbor who John Ashcroft has determined is a terrorist.

[Comadreja]

15. Your compassion

overwhelms me with its sincerity.

:puke:

[Forkboy]

32. Touching ain't it?

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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[lefty_mcduff]

47. Ah - collateral damage.

Making the unacceptable acceptable by changing a few words.

[Comadreja]

11. Children are future terrorist leaders you know

Obviously when children see their families blown to shreds, they will harbor animosities that cannot be tolerated by a peace-loving society like Israel. They must be pre-emptively eliminated. Sharon and the IOF must have found the memoirs of Ghengis Khan on how to retain conquered territory.

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[Comadreja]

19. Not "the Jews"

The Israeli government and those who support their jihad against the Palestinians, very few of whom are terrorists. Don't pull that dog-eared anti-semitism card on me. The Palestinians are semites. The Israeli Army is the world leader in death squad techniques. They have even trained RW killers in other countries. Death, suppression of indigenous peoples, weapons and terror is a main export of the present government.

[Blitz]

31. The term anti-semitism

refers to Jews and Jews only.

[number6]

37. who says ???

don't other semite's count ??? ???

[Muddleoftheroad]

38. They count just fine

Just not for the use of the term anti-Semitism.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

23. No, what is typical

is making up statements and attributing them to others

Yes, 'utter bullshit'

B

[Darranar]

20. I'm not at all convinced that they are constructive or effective...

Anyway, welcome back, Herschel!

[Forkboy]

33. Long time no see

[newyorican]

34. wash, rinse, repeat...

P.T. Barnum said it best...

[aquart]

39. Nice try but it won't work.

Terrorists are not finite in number.

This is just a delaying action.

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. Terror leaders

If you cut off the head, the body mills around alot.

Every Palestinian terror leader should be tracked down and, unless it is easy to capture him/her, they should be killed.

[Comadreja]

41. Good luck on Sharon et al

Maybe you could get Tom DeLay to strap on a mini-nuke and take out the entire nest of Likud vipers along with himself.

[drewb]

42. And in the case of a "leaderless resistance"....

Your idea amounts to "Kill 'em all and let G-D sort them out"...

:loveya:

[Muddleoftheroad]

43. For terror leaders

I am OK with that assessment.

[drewb]

44. I am OK with that assessment.

Once again you have "muddled" the issue.

[bluesoul]

45. And when they kill all the "leaders"

who will they go for next?

[drewb]

46. You and me...

That's what scares me.

:loveya:

[Comadreja]

48. They've already shown that

Non-violent activists, unarmed resistance, people walking around minding their own business, ISM workers; that's the beauty of it: they can kill with impunity because everyone is a "suspected" terrorist.

[drdon326]

50. Psssst.....

The Ism ??.... they're nothing but lying terrorist supporters.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[Forkboy]

51. No way...the ISM RAWKS dudue!

[Muddleoftheroad]

49. I was ignoring your theory

Because I don't believe such exists.

In any group, there are leaders. They may lack formal titles, but there are those who plan and lead and those who follow.

[drewb]

52. No there aren't...

Hence... "leaderless resistance"...


I could be a leaderless resistance, you could be, DrDon could be, Forkboy could be... We might all have the same goal with no contact with each other or anything....

This is all covered in :tinfoilhat: 101...

:loveya:

[Muddleoftheroad]

53. Leaderless

You would be a resistance of one. Once you join a group, a group has leaders.

However, were I in charge, I would do my best to ensure that the Palestinians had a leaderless resistance.

[drewb]

59. What if people all come to the same conclusion by themselves...

For example...

Hitler put Jews in concentration camps.
Concentration camps are bad.
Hitler is/was bad.

I don't need some fancy leader to tell me that, and I would resist him in any way I could.

Now personally I'm not much of a fighter although I did spend some time in the Army. My resistance would mostly be passive-aggressive, making known Nazis wait extra long at before I pump their gas at the gas station, or maybe cutting them off in traffic, or maybe pretending I couldn't hear them when I actually could.

I would be a leaderless resistance, I would be doing these things on my own without someone telling me to do them.

I think that this is precisely what we (The USA) are facing in Iraq right now. The Iraqis aren't dumb, they know that it isn't good to be occupied by a hostile foreign government, they don't need Saddam or Osama or anyone else to tell them this. The average Joe on the street resists the occupation however they can, in their own way.

So I am sorry to have proved you wrong, but let's remain friends.

:loveya:

[Muddleoftheroad]

63. History proves you wrong

A leaderless resistance ends as soon as the one or two people are caught or killed. It takes on more the characteristics of ordinary crime.

All other resistance ends up organized to some degree.

Have a nice day.

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[Herschel]

54. Thanks to all

that have welcomed me back.

[Forkboy]

55. Hey,us fellow progressives must stick together

[drewb]

58. LOL!!!

Good one Forkboy, owe you a beer for that one...

:loveya:

[Herschel]

60. Well said

-

[bemildred]

56. We don't censor anybody, Hersch.

Just keep it civil.
:hi:

[Herschel]

61. Indeed

Progressives such as ourselves may disagee.

[brainshrub]

62. Oh, like they weren't determined before?