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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:50 PM
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Hiding Israel's Contribution to the US Military
For years, Israel has been America's secret weapon in defending the interests and lives of the people of the United States.

While the US wants and needs Israel's assistance in securing "human intelligence" (humint) - on-ground intelligence - about what Arab terrorists and Arab rogue nations are planning against America, it does not want to admit that Israel is its irreplaceable source for such deep intel. Israel reluctantly accepts this policy, because America is Israel's ally and friend, but the Jewish state resents this effort to appease Arab nations.

General George Keegan (now deceased), former head of America's Air Force Intelligence, unabashedly and repeatedly stated publically during his life that, "Israel is worth five CIAs" with respect to the intelligence passed to their American counterparts. This wasn't intended as an insult to the CIA, but rather to indicate that Israel was capable of the type of deep penetration into rogue Arab nations and terror cells that the CIA was not.

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=3255

An informative article for those that wail about American aid to Israel.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:51 PM
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1. Nice source.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:01 AM
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7. note the racism in the article
"Bush, in deference to the Saudis and Egyptians, will continue to bury Israel's contribution, lest the backward Arabs get angry."

"Hate and killing of Jews seems to be a joy for Arabs"

Right-wingnut crap like this should not be tolerated by progressives. This article is racist filth, and the writer is scum. It isn't surprising though, from Arutz Sheva, a known source of conservative bigotry and hatred.

This garbage is disgusting.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:18 AM
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8. I hope
I do hope those progressive Arab countries institute human rights reforms and basic rights for women.

Also that Jews are from this time onward granted permission to not be singled out for discrimination in the Arab world.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:32 PM
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12. .
Your condemnation of the racist filth in this article has been noted.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:02 AM
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10. It would indeed be considered racism if applied to Jews, African-Americans

Catholics, Koreans, Southerners...

However, it is quite acceptable to say things about Middle Easterners and Muslims in general that would be considered for want of a better word, trashy, if used in reference to any other group.

I would speculate that any publication that used the term "backward Jews" would not wait long to find itself on any number of "hate site" lists.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 03:06 AM
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13. What I don't understand

some people will read this but refuse to read the JPost articles, which are conservative, but not prone to slanderous name calling such as the Arutz 7 or al Jazeera articles.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:31 PM
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14. show me
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 10:35 PM by Resistance
one al-Jazeera article which slanders any ethnic or racial or religious group the way that 'Israel National News' slanders Arabs in the posted article here.

Seriously - since you seem to have equated the two, I would like to see what it is you base your comparison on.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 02:58 PM
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15. any discoveries yet?
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:32 PM
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16. See this anti-Semitic headline
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:37 PM
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17. That is a display of poll results
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 03:41 PM by Resistance
The report is on the views of poll respondents.

This doesn't even compare to the racist article you posted, which states the view of the writer, that "hate and killing of Jews seems to be a joy for Arabs"
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:42 PM
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19. so it's back to waiting for something credible
...

Where in Al-Jazeera is the article stating views as racist as the Arutz Sheva article?
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 03:37 PM
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18. Nonsense
It's impossible for al-Jazeera to be anti-Semitic because they hate Israel and we all know from reading repeated posts here that as long as you hate Israel you are guaranteed to never be an anti-Semite because you're just a poor victim of the international Jewish plot to tar every critic of Israel as an anti-Semite. Even David Duke, neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers are just poor innocent victims of this evil plan.

(Note that this is sarcasm for those who actually believe that kind of lunacy)
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:47 AM
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31. Link doesn't work
Have you found anything else?
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:53 PM
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2. yes, and everything is going so swimmingly for the u.s. and isreal now
:eyes:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:59 PM
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3. I'm still wailing
nt
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 02:05 PM
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4. The upcoming invasions of Iran and Syria should take care of that

since it appears that the US will be deploying its Israeli assets to implement one or both, US resources being a tad "stretched" at the moment with so many other operations underway in various US possessions around the globe.
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plurality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 02:10 PM
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5. it's not contradictory at all
Israel gives massive aid to Israel and Israel gives some aid to America, how much and how valuable it is, is up to discussion. The fact that America hides this is not a surprise. The good ole US still has to pretend to the Arabs that we care what they think so they'll continue to let Shell, ExxonMobile, Texaco control their oil.
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Freethinker10 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 04:33 AM
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21. American Aid to Israel
Edited on Fri Jan-30-04 04:35 AM by Freethinker10
According to this article, the total amount of American aid to Israel since the mid-1960s has at this point exceeded 91 billion dollars.

That estimate probably wasn't counting various additional forms of aid, such as secret programs, preferred trade agreements, et cetera.

Freethinker10
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 07:38 PM
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6. Well.... One of my best friends just got called up to serve in Iraq...
Do you think we could send one of our Israeli allies in his place?

Do you?

:loveya:
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:22 AM
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9. He should be alright
as long as he's not Jewish. Of course, Israel has no role in Iraq, so the option you mention is out.
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:54 AM
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11. Easy for you to say...
"He should be alright"

Alright as in "Well heck, he can still see out of that one eye."

Alright as in "They can do amazing things with prosthetics these days."

Alright as in "Now you can learn to write left-handed, who needs two arms anyway?"

Alright as in "Mrs. ____ , your son died an honorable death in Iraq, fighting to subjugate the Iraqi people."


Yes, I suppose he will be "alright"... At least I hope so.

Thanks for keeping him in your thoughts.

:loveya:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:57 PM
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20. Well... He's been activated for two days now...
only 545 left....


Please keep praying for him, it seems to be working...

:loveya:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:36 PM
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22. 5 days now...
He's still OK...

Please keep praying for him, it seems to be working...

:loveya:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 04:57 PM
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23. Well... It's been a week.
I got an email from him yesterday. He says that the Army ran out of duffle bags while handing out equipment here stateside... Feature that, the A R M Y running out of duffle bags!

Anyway, all of your prayers seem to be working well, he is doing well and doesn't expect to be sent to Iraq until March...

Keep it up everyone, you are all helping him in your own little ways.

:loveya:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:41 AM
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24. Two weeks now...
Stunning how no one seems to care... It's hard to keep in touch with him, but I will try to let him know that you are all thinking about him and wish him well in the "War on Terror" ™

:loveya:
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:47 AM
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25. We do care
May he continue to be safe.
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:20 PM
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27. I thank you and he thanks you...
:loveya:

:grouphug:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:42 AM
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And a big thank you to the mods for un-locking this...
:thumbsup:

:loveya:
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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:31 AM
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35. I haven't heard from my friend in about a week, I am starting to worry...
I may try to call him later. I hope he is ok.

:loveya:
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Ottmar Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:05 PM
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26. Who is interested in peace between Israelis and Palestinans?
My question doesn't apply to people like you and me but to lobbies and nations.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 02:21 AM
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28. Israel: friend, foe, or NWO cog?
Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 02:23 AM by _Jumper_
I've been researching 9/11 recently and have a found a lot of distrbing claims about Israel. Much of it is obvious nonsense, such as the canard about 4,000 Jews being missing from the WTC but some of it appears to be legitimate. Can anyone verify the following:

1) The Lavon affair(1954)-Allegedly, Israel's Mossad carried out several terrorist attacks in Egypt, including one on an American diplomatic bulding. It left behind evidence that would link Arabs to it which would result in Western anger against the Arabs and aid Israel's cause. Eventually it was discovered that Mossad was behind the attacks.

2) Marine barracks bombing (1983)-Allegedly, Israel had advance knowledge of that attacks but witheld them because it would increase American hostility toward Arabs which would redound to their advantage.

3) Israel duped Raygun into bombing Libya (1986)-Allegedly, Israel used a special communication device that could be planted by naval commandos deep inside enemy territory. The device would act as a relay station for misleading transmissions made by the disinformation unit in the Mossad, called LAP, and intended to be received by American and British listening stations. Originating from an IDF navy ship out at sea, the prerecorded digital transmissions could be picked up only by the Trojan. The device would then rebroadcast the transmission on another frequency, one used for official business in the enemy country, at which point the transmission would finally be picked up by American ears in Britain. Israel used it to dupe Raygun into bombing Libya.

4) Israeli 9/11 spy ring linked to the hijackers-An Israeli spy ring
was tracking several of the hijackers--one spy group practically lived next door to Mohammad Atta--prior to being caught in the summer of 2001. Given this, it is very likely that it knew about the attacks. Or worse, was it involved in the attacks like Pakistan's ISI was? Here is a link to a bunch of articles on the issue: http://www.antiwar.com/israelfiles2.html


Is all this a bunch of lies? Is Israel a country that couldn't care less about America if it advances its interest? Or is Israel's Mossad just another cog in the NWO like Pakistan's ISI?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:53 AM
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32. Do you know about the USS Liberty?
Israeli warplanes attack USS Liberty to frame the Egyptians (1967)- Allegedly.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:10 PM
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33. Yeah I do
The real mystery is why Johnson covered it up. Israel having a bad name was not a national security threat. It wasn't like we were talking about a great-power such as Germany or France.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:14 AM
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34. Here's the reason:
From the post that started this thread:

For years, Israel has been America's secret weapon in defending the interests and lives of the people of the United States.

English traslation: Israel does our dirty work in the middle east.
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