Audiences Small but Adoring-Kucinich undeterred by long-shot status

[drewb]

He ended his tour of Michigan after midnight, at the head of a long table in a banquet hall in Dearborn, home of about 30,000 Arab-Americans. He was the guest of the publisher of the Arab American News, Osama Siblani, whose paper endorsed Kucinich. He told the table of about 20 Arab-Americans he would repeal the Patriot Act and work to create an independent state for Palestinians.

He predicted the war in Iraq will ultimately be the issue that will change the election.

"It affects everything," he said. "It's about our relationship to the world, our relationship to Islam, world energy policy and our domestic agenda."

Asked by a supporter if he had received any proposals of marriage by Muslim women, he said, "I keep all my options open. I keep a copy of the Quran in my office."


http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usdenn093663926feb10,0,3988622.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

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[mmm]

1. Kucinich is the best

[GabysPoppy]

2. And approximately

2% to 4% of all Democrats seem to agree with you.

[Forkboy]

3. Why was that necessary?

[Blitz]

4. Facts are always helpful

Why should Dennis have a pass on the rather important fact that he has almost no national support?

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[Blitz]

6. You seem to be reading a whole lot

into a very short post. Maybe you can direct me to the words that express the poster's lousy attitude.

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[Jim Sagle]

15. And that was a fun fact!

:yourock:

[Forkboy]

8. Thank God Drew that he's not like Lieberman

and already out of the race.

[drewb]

9. Well, Joe had his reasons I'm sure.

I will leave it at that...

:loveya:

[Herschel]

10. Kucinich would lead the party to oblivion

His wild leftist views would result in a landslide for President Bush, larger than ever seen before. Be gone.

[wuushew]

16. A man in the mold of FDR you call a "wild leftist"?

Strange how political definitions have lost all meaning.

[Blitz]

17. Kucinich is in the mold of FDR?? You mean FDR the President?

The man who lead his country through history's most brutal war, oversaw the greatest short-term military build-up in world history (seizing private plants for the purpose), approved firebombing campaigns, approved the development and use of nuclear weapons (Truman gave the order but FDR had been in favor of their use before his death), imprisoned U.S. citizens because of their ethnicity for the sake of national security? That FDR???

Kucinich, who wants to halt the war on terror, empty Guantanamo, withdraw from Iraq, stop all research on new weapons programs (ack!! mind control!!) and radically cut the size and reach of the U.S. armed forces? That Kucinich???

Lieberman, McCain and other centrists have more in common with FDR than Kucinich ever has or will.

[wuushew]

18. I disagree

The United States was attacked by Japan and shortly after Germany declared war on us, not vice versa. Are any of the candidates except Loserman advocating pre-emptive war? Also in your praise of centrists how are neo-liberal DLC economic principles compatible with with the same era that gave us rural electrification, social security, the TVA and government sponsored public works programs? FDR was a big friend of labor and no one save perhaps Gephardt matches what DK is saying on that front.


(On Edit) How is McCain a centrist? AdAction.org gives him a lifetime rating of 9.0

[Blitz]

19. Islamists attacked the United States on 9-11

And on several occasions before that. Kucinich has shown absolutely no inclination to fight against them. There is no evidence to suggest that FDR would have been so completely blind to the thread. Kucinich was endorsed by CAIR, an Islamist front group (numerous CAIR officials have been indicted for serious felonies, including crimes involving terrorism and support of terrorist groups). Did FDR give any speeches to Nazi front groups? Did he get an endorsement from them? For that reason alone (and there are many others) Joe Lieberman is a better PERSON, not to mention legislator, than Kucinich can ever hope to be.

BTW, Did you notice that Lieberman finished ahead of Kucinich in Tennessee today? Yeah, Kucinich is just like FDR. FDR often lost to men who weren't even running.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. Yes, Islamic fundamentalists were responsible for Sept 11...

But since when has bombing the crap out of countries like Afghanistan and Iraq or introducing legislation that attack the civil liberties of Americans been the only way to fight back? There are ways to fight back without killing large numbers of innocent civilians or by whipping a population up into a frenzy by demonising another group of people...

Yr claims about CAIR are complete nonsense and the only places I could find anything that carried those same claims were such fine, reputable *snicker* sources like Daniel Pipes, WorldNetDaily, and Townhall.com to name but a few. What was notably absent was the same claims coming from any reputable source. For anyone who's not aware of what CAIR is about, here's some information.

Of course there's going to be folk like Pipes and his ilk who get off on trying to demonise and smear a civil rights group that works hard against the misrepresentation of Muslims that happens in the US. My guess is that any group that works to reduce anti-Muslim bigotry would cop the same attacks from them. And seeing as how anti-Muslim bigotry is a problem in the US, the only thing that CAIR is a front for is American Muslims, not Islamic fundamentalists...

Violet...

[drewb]

21. That gets to the crux of it....

Why attack Iraq and Afghanistan when the attackers were predominantly Saudi Arabian?

Iraq - To settle an old score and control the oil. "He tried to kill my daddy!"

Afghanistan - To control the poppy production, there's a lot of money in heroin.

:loveya:

[Violet_Crumble]

22. But that's Fighting Terrorism!!

All the cons that come from violating the sovereignty of those countries is just a coincidence! ;)

If the US was truly interested in fighting terrorism, then it wouldn't have been in the position where it couldn't react in any other way than that of a traditional military by attacking another state. Seeing as how terrorist groups aren't sovereign states and don't operate like them, the US was screwed when it came to any other response. And Bush had to do something, and the more visible and more bang for the buck in it, the better. Fighting terrorism using means that would have actually achieved something wouldn't have been nearly as visible and wouldn't have earnt the applause of so many Americans. Instead picking on countries that couldn't defend themselves and had some juicy pickings, while being very careful to avoid picking on any country that might be capable of putting up a real fight turned into what some people insist on calling 'fighting terrorism'. One thing that made me sick was when the Bush camp tried to make out that they were 'liberating' Afghan women. They hadn't given a toss about them before that, and still don't....


Violet...

[drewb]

23. I admire your knowledge...

And your well thought out responses...

:loveya:

[drdon326]

11. Maybe Kucinich can be Chairman of the PA ??

OH...THATS RIGHT...They dont have elections.

[drewb]

13. Personally I prefer "real" differences between parties...

This lighter and darker shades of gray that we have been experiencing for the past 20 years or so is such a drag...

What's the point of my voting if nothing ever changes? :wtf:

:loveya:

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

12. men of love vs men of hate

"'Damn' braces, 'bless' relaxes. There are many people for whom hate and rage pay a higher dividend of immediate satisfaction than love. Congenitally aggressive, they soon become adrenaline addicts, deliberately indulging their ugliest passions for the sake of the 'kick' they derive from their physically stimulated endocrines. Knowing that one self-assertion always ends by evoking other and hostile self-assertions, they sedulously cultivate their truculence. And, sure enough, very soon they find themselves in the thick of a fight. But a fight is what they most enjoy; for it is while they are fighting that their blood chemistry makes them feel most intensely themselves. 'Feeling good', they naturally assume that they are good. Adrenaline addiction is rationalized as Righteous Indignation and finally, like the prophet Jonah, they are convinced, unshakably, that they do well to be angry" - Aldous Huxley

why are so many eager to damn a man of love?

Bill

[drewb]

14. Looks like DK's star is rising fast...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=305450