Never Forget

[Resistance]

Guerrilla News Network

This year, and for every year for the rest of my life, the approach of March will mean something else entirely - the anniversary of the brutal death of my cousin, Rachel Corrie.

the self-acquittal of the Israeli Army for Rachel's death and the resistance of the State of Israel to an independent investigation into this case reveals both the Sharon administration's unwillingness to take responsibility for the death of a US citizen and the Bush administration's cowardice in allowing another nation to attack US citizens with impunity.

Rachel's death was in fact only the first of several Israeli attacks on foreign citizens in the West Bank and Gaza - Brian Avery, from New Mexico, was shot in the face on April 5th, Tom Hurndall, a U.K. citizen, was shot in the head on April 11th, and died on January 13th, and James Miller, another U.K. citizen, was shot and killed in April as well. To date, in only Hurndall's case will the Israeli soldier responsible for the attack face trial, and this because the British government, after several months, finally responded to the overwhelming evidence presented by the Hurndall family.

[Herschel]

1. Very well

Each time we hear of a homicide bombing, we will remember Rachel Corrie.

[Resistance]

3. hmm

Since she promoted non-violence, I am going to guess that she wouldn't want to be remembered after any kind of bombing.

[Herschel]

4. She was flattened

while defending the home that sheltered the tunneling of explosives. She was complicit in murder. I will leave it at that.

[Resistance]

6. this is not true

the home she defended belonged to a respectable Palestinian physician and his family.

[Herschel]

9. Very well

Perhaps this so called respectable Palestinian physician had no tunnel under his particular home. Yet she impeded progress at many.

[Palestine]

7. You have been mis-informed

this much I know

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

17. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

10. any proof of the propaganda?

a) proof of tunnel at that home

b) that she was aware of said tunneling


If not you slander the dead ... which is a sad, little act with no honour

B

[lumpy]

122. For God's sake

how was Corrie complicit in murder? Statements such as this and demeaning her memory is certainly not helping the Israeli cause.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

8. As you should

because the cowardly Israeli right wing has no stomach for non-violence and those who promote it.

Fellow liberals, as you are, need to remind the right that violence is the act of a limited mind and is returned in kind.

B

[mmm]

2. How could we ever forget?

We cannot.

[Jim Sagle]

65. Huh?

:boring:

[Palestine]

5. I thank you for posting this

The ISM does more than you could ever know to alleviate the suffering of both sides. These are good people.

[Resistance]

11. Song for Rachel Corrie

And, your death will not be in vain

Rachel Corrie, we’ll remember your name

In the fight for peace and justice

Your heart was good, your heart was true

You went to Palestine to understand

The truth of children playing in the shadows

Of an occupied land

And, Rachel Corrie, Rachel Corrie

I know you didn't have a wish to die

So young and so far away from home

Our mourning fills up the night sky

Continued here: ©2003 Elizabeth Hummel

MP3 RECORDING

[Herschel]

12. Oh, my

Does anyone have a tissue?

[Resistance]

13. Look here Herschel

I sincerely hope and pray that you aren't making jokes.

As March 16th grows nearer, you can make a sure bet that many people around here will be partaking in solemn remembrances of Rachel, that IMHO should not be tainted by ridicule. Could you please respect this wish?

[lefty_mcduff]

15. "Could you please respect this wish?"

If I were a betting man...

[Resistance]

19. I am hopeful

that taking the high road here will bear fruitful results. I believe that Rachel would ask us all to try a little bit harder.

[Forkboy]

21. I tried the high road yesterday

it got deleted.

[Resistance]

22. oh

:(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. You too?

[Herschel]

24. The high road

would not include glorifying this woman.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

28. And calling her a terrorist does?

[Resistance]

108. they haven't gone that far yet

just a hate-mongering terrorist-supporter seems to work just fine.

[Resistance]

32. I can see it may be difficult to understand

but, you see, many of us do not see her as a terrorist supporter or sympathizer. In fact, the ISM website says explicitly that they call for non-violence, which is obviously not a terrorist approach in any sense of the term.

Indeed, she has been admired and respected for standing up to the Israeli oppression and war machine. If that amounts to glorification, I really don't have a problem with that. It is highly unfortunate that she was killed, whether you believe that it was an intentional murder (as I think it was) or if it was an accidental death.

[drdon326]

57. Not to me....

"Indeed, she has been admired and respected for standing up to the Israeli oppression and war machine."

NO....She was terrorist supporter who was part of a front group that
didn't give a rats ass about the murder of innocent Israelis and on that basis should be viewed with utter contempt and ridicule.



"If that amounts to glorification, I really don't have a problem with that."

Unfortunately I do...i wont bow to her memory of being a terrorist
supporter.



"It is highly unfortunate that she was killed, whether you believe that it was an intentional murder (as I think it was) or if it was an accidental death."

WOW...i almost agree...it was an accident...her death starts with her
parents letting her going to a war zone , the ISM that used her as
a disposable pawn and her own twisted views ....not to mention her
inability to avoid heavy machinery.

[Forkboy]

59. yes yes yes

so you keep saying :eyes:

[drdon326]

67. Glad you agree...

2D or 3D, it really doesnt matter.:shrug:

[Forkboy]

69. Don't mistake that for agreeing

[PsychoDad]

84. "No greater love...

Does a man have for his brother, than to lay his life down for him."

IIRC, Jesus, a jewish teacher said that, and I guess it would apply to a woman also.
Sounds like someone else has already glorified the acts of folks like Rachael.

Peace

[Evil_Dewers]

90. The high road would not include demonizing this woman...

...equating a peaceful protestor with the Ari Fleischer-like term "homicide bomber" and making up crap about her protecting tunnels should be beneath "progressives."

[Herschel]

92. If you are seeking

unanimous approval of this terrorist sympathizer, you are in the wrong forum.

[Evil_Dewers]

93. I consider Ariel Sharon and his right wing Likuds to be terrorists as well

[Herschel]

97. It would appear

you can no longer distinguish good from evil. How sad for you.

[Darranar]

98. Sharon is now "good"? n/t

[Herschel]

100. The IDF and their battle on terror

are good.

[Darranar]

103. He did not mention the IDF...

rather, he was speaking of Likud and Sharon.

[Forkboy]

104. The IDF ain't nuthin but shit

[Evil_Dewers]

105. The IDF

battles terruh by destroying Palestinian olive trees and Palestinian homes and by murdering Palestinians civilians from the safety of an armored Apache helicopter.

[Resistance]

106. yeah

I guess that is considered 'bravery' nowadays.

[Evil_Dewers]

102. Good and evil...

A right wing Israeli student murdered Rabin when Rabin tried to make peace with Palestine.

Even when an Israeli PM turns his back on his old terrorist ways and tries to make peace, he is rewarded with an Israeli bullet from a right winger who doesn't want peace.

Now, go back to pretending you are on God's side and that your side is moral and right and just and good.

LMAO!!!

[Darranar]

94. Apparentally...

if you are seeking evidence to back up claims of support for terrorism, you are also in the wrong forum.

[Evil_Dewers]

95. But I have the word of Hershel the prophet that Corrie was a terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x57626#57631

[Herschel]

99. She was killed

obstructing an IDF operation. She died as she lived.

[Darranar]

101. So, "obstructing an IDF operation" is now terrorism? n/t

[Resistance]

107. well

we've been asked to believe that the ISM is the same as Hamas so this shouldn't come as a surprise

[newyorican]

123. She died as she lived.

Under a bulldozer?

[GabysPoppy]

29. I gave this advice once before

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=34984#35464

Maybe had you taken it seriously then, the high road would be an easier path to navigate.

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[Resistance]

58. sorry

I promise from now on I'll take your advice extra seriously.

:party: :beer: :crazy: :dunce:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. I doubt it. Oh my, indeed.

[Herschel]

18. You three

It is difficult to see a terrorist sympathizer glorified.

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. I know it doesn't involve him.

But you seem to like jokes, so do I.

[Lithos]

61. I like jokes too

Just make sure they are not of a personal nature.

Lithos
FA/NS Moderator
Democratic Underground

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

62. But it's OK to say disgusting things about dead people.

Also I don't take Kucinich jokes and insults personally. Why would others do about their candidates?

[Forkboy]

63. As long as the dead person isn't a DU member

yes,it is ok.

Pathetic and sad of course,but ok nonetheless.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

64. What about making fun of a candidate who's not a member either?

Never mind. All this stuff is getting deleted pretty soon anyway.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

30. were all your tissues not used up on Joe?

half the box during the excitement of his campaign

the other half after it's quick demise.

?

[lefty_mcduff]

26. Huh?

And in fact, I would ask that you point to one post of mine where I 'glorifed' Rachel Corrie, or expected her to be 'glorified'.

What got my ire up was when folks around here called her names - "pancake princess" and "terrorist princess" among them. I found that rather troubling on a 'progressive' board.

However, if I was going to post counterpoints about Ms. Corrie I felt I should take the time to read up a little more. Judging by some of your earlier incorrect posts, this is something you would be well advised to do, before calling her a 'terrorist sympathizer' or mocking people who do mourn her with 'does anyone have a tissue'.

[drdon326]

55. Save your breath...

dont ask me that question.

[Cassandra]

110. I seem to remember the last Holocaust Remembrance Day...

the ridicule, and intolerance of the day wafted so strongly through this forum (as well as GD) that Skinner felt the need to make an appearance and express his disgust.
I'm sure you will be leading the beatification of Rachel. Do you think you will be able to confine the solemnities to only one thread or do you expect that the outpouring of feeling will necessitate multiple threads?

[Resistance]

111. did you have an example

of the "ridicule and intolerance" of DUers towards remembering the Holocaust?

For example, many here will well remember the hate-phrase "Pancake Queen" in reference to Rachel Corrie. But since that doesn't bother you, I am assuming that much worse things were said of victims of the Holocaust. I will await your evidence.

[Cassandra]

112. The search in the old archives isn't working right now

maybe later. Here is one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7128&forum=DCForumID30&archive=

There was another in GD on that day, posted by bobthedrummer, which I cannot access right now, which had Skinner's message in it.

Personally, I find the term "Pancake Queen" to be tasteless. I hadn't commented on it before because I hadn't seen it. I obviously spend less time lingering on Rachel Corrie threads than you do.

[Resistance]

113. sorry for making a false assumption

For me, it's not about "lingering" on the Corrie threads, it's simply amazement to me that a killed peace activist would be the target of such a vicious hate campaign against her - and that's whether you think it was murder or not. I expect that kind of commentary at Free Republic, not here.

[GabysPoppy]

114. Let's get a few things straight

1. It is about you lingering on "Corrie" threads. After the 25th thread it became enough already. Plenty of people had sympathy for her and her parents until it was turned into a career of posting.

2. You have made and continue to make some very definitive statements of the "total truth" of the accident as if you were an eyewitness. Had there been the slightest bit of objectivity the entire "Corrie" experience on DU would be a hell of a lot more sympathetic toward her and her family.

3. And if you want to make a comparison with Free Republic, a truer comparison would be with all the Clinton penis stories.

The death of any person is a sad story. But the story does not become sadder with 50 stories of it. Rather than sadder, it has become cheapened by this obsession. I'm sorry you don't realize that fact.

[Resistance]

115. Wow

So the story isn't being cheapened by the Right-wing Hate-campaign, but by my concern with turning the story of a murdered peace activist into smearing her as a terror-supporter.

Ok, thanks for straightening that out.

Continue as you were (which was trying to convince everyone here that Hamas and the ISM are one in the same, correct?)

[GabysPoppy]

116. You misunderstood

It is your obsession with the story that was the catalyst.

[Resistance]

117. oh my I am so sorry

please forgive me for showing concern for peace activists murdered by Israel

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[Evil_Dewers]

120. You never answered my question:

Has the IDF ever killed anyone who didn't deserve it?

[lumpy]

121. Of course he/she isn't making jokes.

The hatred for Rachel Corrie is very apparent. For many Americans, these nasty references to Rachel Corrie are certainly not helping the Israeli cause.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. Is that really necessary?

I thought you had a little more class than that.

[sushi]

81. Obviously

you thought wrong.

[Herschel]

82. It is difficult

to witness a terrorist supporter being praised.

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

88. It is difficult indeed. Oh my.

"The United States government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world."
- Martin Luther King

[anti-NAFTA]

109. I've already gotten a post deleted

after being provoked by you, so I'll stay calm. If it were your cousin who got shot down for protesting or whatever nonviolent stuff Rachel Corrie was doing, you'd be singing a different tune. I don't understand your position which seems to be that you're either for occupation or you're for the terrorists. You should take the example of Yitzhak Rabin and show some respect for human life.

[Herschel]

31. A photograph of this woman

Such an example for these young people. She appears to be gone mad.

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[Resistance]

33. Did she deserve the death penalty

for burning a flag?

[Forkboy]

34. It's not even a real flag

but death to flag burners is the Democratic mindset.

Oh wait,that's the other party that thinks that.Whoops!

[lefty_mcduff]

35. Well that changes everything...

You managed to find a photo in which she looks pissed off.
Bully for you.

Now how does this photo prove your point, or disprove any of the counterpoints? How does this photo cover for the fact that one of the reasons you gave for *your* lack of concern for this woman's death was completely, factually incorrect.

Hmmm?

[Herschel]

38. Here is an article

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1078113575924&p=1006953079865

[lefty_mcduff]

41. Uh-huh.

More 'unbiased' source if you please?

[Forkboy]

43. A reliable source

would be appreciated.

[Herschel]

45. You two

The Jerusalem Post is reliable, though it's positions may be more pragmatic than yours in some affairs.

[Forkboy]

50. Of course it's reliable

I rely on it to be wrong day after day.

[Herschel]

87. Explain yourself

The Jerusalem post provides the most complete and accurate coverage in the world of the Palestinian problem. Their editorials in the matter are often correct. The paper is regularly quoted here by members. Which reports do you find inaccurate?

[Forkboy]

91. Butterflies

[lefty_mcduff]

53. And what 'affairs' would that be?

Dare I say the I/P conflict? And what you actually mean is 'more favorable to Israel and the IDF'. And seeing as how your idea of being 'pragmatic' involves torture, assasination, etc., I won't accept the source as either unbiased or 'pragmatic'.

[Herschel]

86. Indeed

I am referring primarily to the Palestinian problem.

[lefty_mcduff]

46. Beat me to the punch.

*that* was the phrase I was trying to recall. Much better.

[Jim Sagle]

66. Like Aljazeer? Haw haw haw.

[Resistance]

68. y'know - I hear alot of complaining about Al-Jazeera

but never any specific evidence showing where they have lied, distorted, or misrepresented on any story or issue.

So what exactly is the problem with Al-Jazeera then?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

70. I think you know the answer

be glad.

[Herschel]

71. It has been said

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Resistance]

72. I am going to be nice about this

and simply inform you that it is not flattery.

[Forkboy]

73. It's the sincerest form you'll get from me

be glad.

[Herschel]

74. Much appreciated

-

[Forkboy]

75. Dont mention it

no really,dont mention it.

[Herschel]

76. It is good to know

we can disagree, yet respect one another as fellow progressives.

[Forkboy]

77. lol

:silly:

[drdon326]

78. We're really spreading the love today...

hershel...can i have one of those tissues?

[Forkboy]

79. It's a step up from what we usually spread

:D

[drdon326]

80. Why do you think I asked for a tissue??

yeeesh

[Evil_Dewers]

96. I burned a flag

protesting South African apartheid in front of the South African consulate back in the 1980s.

It was a real flag, not a paper one.

Execute me as a terrorist with a bulldozer.

[Herschel]

36. Out thoughts should be with the driver of the bulldozer

These unfounded accusatons for political purpose no doubt brought upset to his lfe.

[lefty_mcduff]

39. Uh-huh.

What's one to do - squish one kid, and people are all over him. Those IDF guys get to off a whole bunch before folks get uppity.

[Herschel]

40. The notion she was killed intentionally

is unproven.

[Forkboy]

42. as is the notion that it wasn't

[Herschel]

47. Indeed

Therefore we must assume the driver innocent.

[lefty_mcduff]

48. Careful.

You're painting yourself into a 'logic corner' that you may not be able to escape. Better to throw out the 'collateral damage' tag and be done with it.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

51. sorry, already done

'logic, we don't need no stinking logic'

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

49. As we should regarding Rachael, should we not

what proof, what evidence, what conviction brands here...

none

terror-supporter?

the emperor wears no clothes

Your mocking of the innocent dead is a small little act.

B

[Forkboy]

52. Indeed

Therefore we must assume Corrie was also innocent.

[lefty_mcduff]

44. That's right.

Because there hasn't been a thorough (and unbiased) investigation. Not really surprising now, is it?

[Resistance]

54. hmm I wonder why

something to hide perhaps? Nawww, that couldn't be it.

[drdon326]

56. DUPE.

Same article-different site

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x57346

[Forkboy]

60. Doh! kind of late for that now

:silly:

[Fight_n_back]

85. Why aren't there any foregin human shields..

on Israeli buses?

[Resistance]

89. there would be an international presence

if Israel wasn't so interested in stealing land (thus blocking such measures)