Carrying on the passion of activist Rachel Corrie

[CerealMurderer]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001878801_rachel14m.html

Rachel Corrie died March 16, 2003, in Rafah, along the Gaza-Egyptian border. To some she was a hero, a martyr. To others she was a meddler, a conspirator even, who deserved what she got.

Israel was sending tanks and bulldozers into the area almost every day, destroying buildings near the Gaza-Egypt border. The Associated Press quoted Israelis saying Palestinian gunmen used the buildings as cover, and arms-smuggling tunnels dug under the border terminated in the buildings.

"The crew of the armored bulldozer did not see Miss Corrie, who was standing behind a pile of earth, nor could they have seen or heard her," Israeli authorities said.

The al-Aqsa intifada, which began Sept. 29, 2000, has claimed the lives of 3,460 people as of Feb. 22, 2004, according to B'Tselem, an Israeli human-rights group whose statistics are regularly cited by Human Rights Watch as well as the U.S. State Department.

[mmm]

1. The IDF murderer looked into Rachel's eyes as he killed her

Rachel's murder was a deliberate multi-part offense.
Perhaps you did not know that.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Got any evidence for that?

[GabysPoppy]

3. Of course he hasn't any

[drdon326]

17. Its called a "DRIVE-BY" Posting......

shoot a load and run for the hills.

[CerealMurderer]

4. The report said...

"The crew of the armored bulldozer did not see Miss Corrie, who was standing behind a pile of earth, nor could they have seen or heard her," Israeli authorities said.

If you have some other evidence then it would be nice if you could post it.

[Jim Sagle]

5. Pull up a chair...

[shance]

6. A total lie to cover up the truth. Eye witnesses saw the bull dozer

bring Rachel up to eye level and then take her down and crush her.

The truth hurts all of us. Extremism of or by ANY religious, or even just bullying faction is wrong,

but its the truth.

People who try to defend this murder are doing justice NO favors.

[GabysPoppy]

7. That is untrue

How can she be at eye level from one version and have had stumbled BEFORE the accident. She was "eye level" (as seen in the widely circulated picture) hours BEFORE the accident.

[meti57b]

8. People who try to defend this false accusation of murder .....

are doing justice NO favors.

[CerealMurderer]

11. Do you have a link to back up your charge?

Please post it if you do.

[Gimel]

33. The latest tall tale

... of Rachel the Great. As a matter of fact, she stumbled and fell. She was too close for any measure of safety. Self-preservation is the responsibility of every human being. She gave up her instincts, apparently. It's not the fault of the driver that she didn't act normally.

[Evil_Dewers]

44. As a matter of fact, she stumbled and fell.

And you know this because you were there.

LOL.

[Name removed]

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[DuctapeFatwa]

56. I have been informed that ISM is now getting $25 for each anti-Rachel post

made on DU today. $25 from several different individuals.

Thanks to all those who are helping others to see first hand the kind of hatred Rachel died resisting, and helping ISM to continue their work.

Two birds with one stone. Good work!

[PoundSiO2]

59. Got a link?

Others may want to join in.

[Herschel]

9. Indeed her passion is being carried on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x59766

No doubt she would be gratified.

[lefty_mcduff]

14. Please show me how the attack of today

is linked *directly* to Rachel Corrie. Not some vague *terrorist supporter* nonsense. *REAL* proof that Rachel Corrie's *passion* was suicide bomber attacks on Israel, and more specifically (as you suggest) the one carried on today.

Or retract the statement.

[Herschel]

15. Unless this Saint Rachel

has special powers from her grave, of course she is not directly linked. However, she died preventing the unearthing of tunnels for terrorists. It is clear where she stood.

[lefty_mcduff]

18. I'll take that as a 'no'

Meaning you have *no evidence* that she was connected to suicide bombers *or* terrorists.

And as as been pointed out to *you* on several occasions, there were *no* tunnels at the house she died trying to protect from IDF bulldozers. The house belonged to a Palestinian doctor. (Though you know all this, so repeating it is pointless).

And once again, I ask for proof (not so much to ask is it?) of your earlier claim - that Rachel Corrie's passion was that of suicide bomber attacks. You've answered with a vague "it's clear were she stood'. Not really evidence, now, is it? Perhaps links, newspapers. Court records. Interviews. That sort of thing.

If you don't have this proof, your statement is factually incorrect, and you should retract it. Would only be fair...

[Herschel]

22. Very well

"The tunnels Corrie was protecting are underneath the Israel-Egypt border. These elaborate structures, often wood paneled and with electricity, communications equipment and even elevators, are typically dug inside residential homes and concealed under bathrooms, living rooms and bedrooms. They are used to smuggle weapons and explosives -- not to mention drugs and prostitutes -- from Egypt into Gaza.

Corrie, recently seen in a wire service photo angrily burning an American flag, was acting on behalf of the radical Arab-led International Solidarity Movement (ISM), an outfit dedicated to support the "right to resist" what it calls "the occupation of Palestine." The group's members once acted as "human shields" to protect Yasser Arafat from Israeli forces and last year, during the standoff at the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, did the same for hostage-holding terrorists holed up inside.

Corrie's own sentiments were made clear in her writings.

In an email, she makes reference to Arab "homes in historic Palestine -- now Israel," thus reflecting the widely-held Arab view that "Palestine" means the entirety of Israel. In her diary, published on the web by the "nonviolent" ISM, Corrie writes sympathetically of the killing of Israelis by terrorists. "ry to imagine, please, the courage it requires," she gushes. Yes, imagine."

http://www.israelnn.com/article.php3?id=2117

[lefty_mcduff]

24. I think at this point, we generally ask for

more reliable sources, do we not?

This is a piece that is clearly marked 'opinion' .

It is biased and you know it. But having said that - even in this article there is no 'proof' that Rachel Corrie's 'passion' was suicide bombers. I also note that the writer uses his word 'gushes' in order to inject some artifical admiration that is not contained in her supposed writings (the quoted e-mail).

She simply says suicide bombers have 'courage'. And that is your 'proof' that Rachel Corrie's 'passion' was suicide bombing?

The writer talks about tunnels - but *not* the house that Rachel Corrie was protecting that *didn't have any tunnels under it*.

No offence, but your 'proof' is a crock.

[Darranar]

26. Do you have a reliable source for that? n/t

[Evil_Dewers]

34. Steven Zak is an attorney and writer in California.

You realize this article is in the OPINION SECTION, NOT NEWS SECTION.

I'm still waiting to see a picture of the tunnels Corrie was protecting by lying dead in a pool of her own blood.

[GabysPoppy]

35. No inconsistancies here

Now she is "lying dead" in a pool of her own blood.

No wait:

She died in the ambulance.

No wait:

She died at the hospital.

No wait:

See that picture of Rachel and the bullhorn, the driver saw her.

No wait:

Wrong vehicle, wrong time of day.

No wait:

She slipped on a mound of dirt.

No wait:

No mound of dirt in that picture either.

No wait:
SPIN

No wait:
SPIN

[Evil_Dewers]

38. The author asserts that Corrie was protecting tunnels

The author is a goddamned fucking liar.

David lusted after his friend's wife and sent his friend to be killed.

Nice Avatar!

[lefty_mcduff]

39. Perhaps a full-blown investigation would clear up

all these (and other) inconsistancies. Oh, that's right, we're the IDF - we don't need no steeenking investigation.

[Herschel]

41. Amusing

It seems the truth is a difficlut thing to avoid. Oh, my.

[Evil_Dewers]

42. You can't handle the truth--Jack Nicholson

[lumpy]

36. Why do you show

hatred toward this woman you refer to as "Saint Rachel". Disgusting.

[Herschel]

37. She was a terrorist sympathizer

Some here refuse to join in glorifying her.

[Evil_Dewers]

40. Anybody killed by a suicide bomber who supported the Likuds

was a war criminal sympathizer.

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. I used to think the "St. Rachel" comments were hyperbole

No more. My God we've had enough threads about her.

[number6]

12. Neither Saint or Terrorist, just someone who cared about

someone else's plight, 100 more threads about her won't bother me.

[lefty_mcduff]

13. Then perhaps you might

wish to refrain from posting in the next one.

[Muddleoftheroad]

29. Nah

As long as I see folks dropping to their knees in prayer to St. Rachel, I will stop by and chuckle.

[lefty_mcduff]

31. Please don't hesitate to 'stop by and chuckle'

(insert eye roll) But complaining about the subject, and yet insisting on posting in every last thread is quite odd. Fear not though - you're not alone in this affliction.

[drdon326]

16. Another Rachel thread ?!?!

even more ridiculous in death than in life...if thats possible.

[lefty_mcduff]

19. See post #13.

And once again, your slur is uncalled for.

[drdon326]

20. Slur??

I'm crushed.

Sorry i'm not a big fan of Rachel.lol

[lefty_mcduff]

21. I had gathered that.

"I'm crushed". Very clever.

However, it ain't me that's complaining about 'all the Rachel Corrie threads' and then continuing to partake in every single one.

That just seems odd.

[drdon326]

23. Well....

quite frankly , IMHO , I really have nothing but scorn and
contempt for Saint Rachel. Now i'm sure shes seen as a
"SACRED COW" to some....but not to me.

And many of us post on these threads to give an alternative
views and to tell the truth about her.

Quite frankly , as much as I dislike her , I feel her parents
letting her go into a war zone with the ISM idiots, bear
much of the blame.

[lefty_mcduff]

25. Hey, it's your party.

Not sure why you're complaining about 'yet another' Rachel Corrie thread. Thassall

"Scared Cow". That's very clever too.

But "tell the truth about her". Hardly. At best, you share *your* opinion. The facts are 'fast and loose' when it comes to this incident.

[Name removed]

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[lefty_mcduff]

30. Well, using a favored anti-Corrie rationale

unless you were there, you don't know shit about what happened. You only have opinion and sources - you select sources that are biased towards your opinion. Others that disagree select sources that are biased to theirs.

Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

But we'll really never know the truth because people you support have done everything in their power to suppress media coverage and any formal investigation. I welcome such an investigation - then ALL of us would know the truth. I don't claim to know the truth. But I am disturbed by the high-five death cult that comment on her death with such scorn and lack of compassion. I know my emotive response is the right one. You can argue differently.

Add Caterpillar to your portfolio all you want.
I know you're trying to be cute, but the humor is beyond me.

[drdon326]

32. I respect your opinion....

but I respectfully disagree.

"You only have opinion and sources - you select sources that are biased towards your opinion."

Not true....multiple articles have posted showing the
inconsistencies in her death.

"But we'll really never know the truth because people you support have done everything in their power to suppress media coverage and any formal investigation. I welcome such an investigation - then ALL of us would know the truth."

Ignoring the fact you really don't know who I support, the poor bulldozer driver had, reportedly, 2 lie-detector tests and it
has been fully investigated. And I am sad shes dead....i would
rather she was arrested and made to think about her actions.

And as for Caterpillar, I've researched the stock extensively
over the past year. There was talk of a boycott but that didn't
happen.

Although its growth is a little flat right now, its
dividends are great and in terms of 'bang for the buck',
it really buries its competition,like John Deere.

[Djinn]

28. so you feel the same way

abou parents who emigrate with THEIR kids to Israel? or atleast you'd feel the same way about the settlers who take THEIR kids into the Occupied Territories??

[JohnLocke]

43. A Rachel Corrie avatar, now??

Hmm... I liked the Vegimite better.

[Evil_Dewers]

46. Haven't you noticed all the Rachel Corrie avatars?

Most of the antiCorrie-ites have changed their avatars to the Star of David (if they didn't already have it as their avatar) in response to the new Corrie avatars.

I/P is a sick, sick forum topic.

[Herschel]

47. I suspect the Corrie avatar violates the rules

as are Palestinian flags. These are related to the IP conflict.

[Evil_Dewers]

48. I suspect you are wrong.

Besides, it is only for a day.

Doc switched his yin/yang avatar to a Star of David for today.

[Evil_Dewers]

49. Why would a Pallie flag be against the rules

when a judaism2.gif (which is the flag of Israel-blue Star of David on a white background) is not?

I hate double standards.

[redqueen]

50. You had to mention double standards!

That's it... I just got an instant headache!

How is it that all this crap STAYS buried, safely hidden from the majority of Americans.

:grr:

[Evil_Dewers]

51. How is it that all this crap STAYS buried

Yeah, it sucks that I have to get an unbiased view of Israel/Palestine affairs from foreign media.

[Herschel]

52. The Star of David

is to represent Judaism. The Palestinian flag and the Corrie woman concern the conflict and are disallowed.

[methinks2]

53. Palestine

was a country going back thousands of years. How could their flag only represent the conflict? MLK represents a conflict. So does Ghandi. Should their likeness be banned?

[foo_bar]

60. it's "Gandhi"

Ghandi is an automobile conglomerate*. As for Palestine being "a country going back thousands of years", it's as true as Sioux Nation going back thousands of years: roughly half true.

*http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/Ghandi.html
http://www.markshep.com/nonviolence/Spell.html
http://www.medword.com/language/Ghandi.html
http://www.animation-books.com/act4anim.htm
http://www.saidwhat.co.uk/quotes.php?type=3&name=mahatma%20ghandi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_common_misspellings
http://www.linuxjournal.com/comments.php?op=Reply&pid=5886&sid=6616
http://mambo.ucsc.edu/psl/rcampbell.txt
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/1/26/13651/1347
http://www.jhsph.edu/magazineSpring02/Letters.htm

[cantwealljustgetalong]

66. thinks again...your statement is ahistorical...

Palestine is not a country going back thousands of years, let alone with a flag...

the Palestinian flag is a copy of the Jordanian flag without the star (a link to when Palestine and Transjordan were one territory)...the use of the flag began when the Arab League declared the PLO the sole representative of all Palestinians and the UN granted the PLO observer status...

[Evil_Dewers]

57. the Corrie woman

In hindsight, don't you wish the IDF didn't kill Corrie?

[Herschel]

58. She brought herself harm

Her life was a tremendous waste.

[BowlingForPalestine]

61. How utterly disgusting a comment.

:eyes:


Yeeesh

[Herschel]

63. When a young woman

ends her life by placing herself in front of a bulldozer, this is indeed a waste. Sympathizing with terrorists is unforgivable.

[BowlingForPalestine]

64. Yeah. It is unforgivable.

Yet, I'll forgive you.

[JohnLocke]

55. Judaism2.gif isn't an Isreali flag.

An Israeli flag would have the two light blue bands on either side of the star.

[Evil_Dewers]

65. Not everyone in israel is jewish

So why would Israel chose a religious symbol to be on their national flag?

Religious intolerance anyone?

Hey, perhaps the US should have a crucifix on the Stars and Stripes.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

67. it's not a religious symbol...

the menora, the shofar, and the lulav are religious symbols...

it was adopted as the emblem of the Zionist movement in 1897 because it did not have religious associations, although it had come to be associated with Jewish identity ...

the symbol historically was not limited to use by Jews...intertwined equilateral triangles is a symbol in the Middle East and North Africa that supposedly brings good luck and it has been used as a magical sign or as a decoration...it is found on some Christian medieval cathedrals...

there are several Muslim countries that feature "symbols" of Islam,
(the crescent moon and star and/or the color green) on their national flags and not everyone in those countries is Muslim...do you object to that as religious intolerance as well?...

[Evil_Dewers]

68. do you object to that as religious intolerance as well

You know, the swastika used to be a symbol of good luck.

Now it has a whole different meaning. Things change.

[JohnLocke]

69. You know, the British flag has a religious bais too.

Great Britain's flag, the Union Jack, has the English Cross of St. George with the white on blue Scottish Cross of St Andrew.

[Name removed]

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[meti57b]

62. double standared?? That is another false accusation.

The Star of David is the symbol for a religion. There are also symbols provided for other religions, including Islam. You are free to use those if you like.

[JohnLocke]

54. No, they don't. Only sig lines (nt).

[Djinn]

71. glad to keep you happy JOhnLOcke