Israeli forces kill 44 Palestinians since beginning of March

[Resistance]

Arjan El Fassed | Electronic Intifada

Since the beginning of this month, Israeli forces have killed 44 Palestinians, including women and children. According to data from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and the Ministry of Health, 30 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and 14 in the West Bank. Among those killed are 18 minors. More than 197 Palestinians, mostly children, were wounded in the same period. In February 2004, Israeli forces killed 52 Palestinians. Since the beginning of 2004, Israeli forces killed 128 Palestinians.

Although over 2,500 Palestinians have been killed by Israel since the start of the second intifada in September 2000, only 15 soldiers have been indicted for causing death or grievous injury to Palestinians. Impunity of this kind in an international order committed to accountability for international crimes and the criminal responsibility of commanders for crimes committed by their troops is a matter of serious concern.

[PeaceInOurTimes]

1. That is very sad

We all of these 44 innocent victims or were any of them combatants?

[Gimel]

2. Not one word

This March 14 "report" by EI tells not one word of Palestinians role in suicide bombing attacks killing



Mar 14: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded at 5:00 P.M. on Sunday afternoon in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack. The bombers were identified as two 18-year-olds, Nabil Massoud and Mahmoud Salem, from the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/home.asp

Jan 13, 2004 - Ro'i Arbel, 29, of Talmon, was killed in a terror shooting ambush near his home in Samaria. Three other passengers of the vehicle were wounded. The Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 14, 2004 - Cpl. Andrei Kegeles, 19, of Nahariya; St.-Sgt. Tzur Or, 20, of Rishon Lezion; security guard Gal Shapira, 29, of Ashkelon; and Border Policeman St.-Sgt. Vladimir Trostinsky, 22, of Rehovot were killed and 10 wounded when a female suicide bomber detonated a bomb at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed joint responsibility for the attack.

Jan 29, 2004 - Eleven people were killed and over 50 wounded, 13 of them seriously, in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, naming the bomber as Ali Yusuf Jaara, a 24-year-old Palestinian policeman from Bethlehem.
The victims: Avraham (Albert) Balhasan, 28, of Jerusalem; Rose Boneh, 39, of Jerusalem; Hava Hannah (Anya) Bonder, 38, of Jerusalem; Anat Darom, 23, of Netanya; Viorel Octavian Florescu, 42, of Jerusalem; Natalia Gamril, 53, of Jerusalem; Yechezkel Isser Goldberg, 41, of Betar Illit; Baruch (Roman) Hondiashvili, 38, of Jerusalem; Dana Itach, 24, of Jerusalem; Mehbere Kifile, 35, of Ethiopia; and Eli Zfira, 48, of Jerusalem.

Feb 22, 2004 - Eight people were killed and over 60 wounded, 11 of them school pupils, in a suicide bombing on Jerusalem bus no. 14A near the Liberty Bell Park. The Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack, which was carried out by Mohammed Za'ul, from the Bethlehem area.
The victims: Ilan Avisidris, 41, of Jerusalem; Lior Azulai, 18, of Jerusalem; Yaffa Ben-Shimol, 57, of Jerusalem; Rahamim Doga, 38, of Mevasseret Zion; Yehuda Haim, 48, of Givat Ze'ev; St.-Sgt. Netanel Havshush, 20, of Jerusalem; Yuval Ozana, 32, of Jerusalem; and Benayahu Zuckerman, 18, of Jerusalem.

Feb 26, 2004 - Sgt.-Maj.(res.) Amir Zimmerman, 25, of Kfar Monash was killed and two other soldiers wounded when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire near the Erez Crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel. The terrorists were killed by soldiers. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 27, 2004 - Eitan Kukoi, 30, and his wife, Rima Novikov Kukoi, 25, were killed in a terrorist shooting attack on the Lahav-Ashkelon road, along the Green Line. The PFLP and the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ia50
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That is a total of 37 deaths since the first of January 2004, with hundreds wounded.

The total blindness of EI to the actions of Palestinian terrorists is why EI is, and ought to remain, to totally isolated and rebuked. It is not a reputable news source.


On edit: to add the link, which I had forgotten.

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[Gimel]

4. You are not relating to what I said

apparently you have responded to the wrong post. The infiltrations and the attacks on Israel have been pretty continuous since January.

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. Yes I was. You said EI isn't a reputable news source.

I'm merely pointing out that it is hardly fair to expect any news source to keep up with every single Palestinian Israel murders.

Especially since so many of them are small children.

[Gimel]

6. The fault is in the omission

of the fact that most of those killed were armed terrorists and responsible for deadly attacks on Israeli citizens. The PA refuses to act, giving all sorts of excuses, so Israeli forces must act to punish the perpetrators and to prevent further attacks.

The attacks on Israel go unmentioned. The IDF site gives details on IDF actions.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. The US has this same problem in Iraq. Ungrateful natives just won't

stand still for slaughter when ordered, get all uppity when the Moral Army of Righteousness kicks their doors in, slaps their kids around a bit, steals the wife's jewelry seizes a few youngsters for some old fashioned Mossad-style "interrogation."

Trying to protect their homes and families just like regular people. Some nerve!

[Gimel]

8. Protect them

by becoming bombs. Very reputable. A nice business plan.

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. If they become bombs, Israel doesn't get to kill them, unless you mean

that Mosaad finally got that reanimator bot to work.

[Gimel]

10. I thought you were talking about Iraq?

:shrug:

Israel isn't trying to arrest Iraqis.

[Resistance]

11. The report is on Palestinians killed so far in March

Which likely explains why the total Israeli deaths so far this year isn't included.

[Resistance]

12. someone explain to me

why the Israeli Army are not terrorists? They're killing alot of people lately. (plus bulldozing homes, stealing land, and robbing banks)

[John BigBootay]

13. How is it wrong for the Israelis to fight back?

Since Oslo, I can think of no examples where Israel attacked the PA, or individual terrorists, without provocation.

What you are asking is for the nation to stand down in the face of a kind of violence that seems unremitting.

I could not do that. I submit that few could. Your assertion that they do so is unrealistic.

Oslo may have been flawed, but it was an unprecedented move in the right direction. The PA pissed it away.

Sometimes I wonder if they simply want violence in perpetuity-- a raison d'etre.

[Resistance]

14. once again

Your post could be changed around in defense of Palestinian terror. I am saying that both are wrong.

Just a quick example, without re-doing your entire post, you could defend Palestinian terror by saying "How is it wrong for Palestinians to fight back?"

Or you could say "You're asking Palestinians to stand down in the face of unremitting violence."

Or you could say "Sometimes I wonder if Israel wants perpetual violence".

Do you see my point?

[redqueen]

15. I see your point, and agree

Both sides are wrong, yet feed off each other. Nice setup for the powerful in both camps.

Not so great for the murdered or wounded innocents.

[John BigBootay]

16. No, I don't see it--

The chain reaction of violence, at least since Oslo, has been catalysed by the PA.

You want an end to the violence? Simply ask the PA to adhere to Oslo, accept the terms that Arafat signed, and move on with life.

The Israelis do not generally strike first, but rather react to a strike. If they do take initiative, they do so because intelligence tells them that there is a threat.

THAT is the difference between the two. Simple as that.

No amount of moral equivalency on your part can change that reality.

[BowlingForPalestine]

17. You think so?

You need to read up on some of Israeli history (and not from the Zionist Lexicon) but of real Israeli history where the GOI made many "first strikes" in order to gain land or more political leverage.

To think otherwise is to stick your head in the sand.

[John BigBootay]

18. What have they done since Oslo?

If all you can do is point to past violence and say "this makes any agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians impossible" then you are merely justifying more terrorism and a refusal to accept an agreement that allows peace.

The Israelis seem more willing to stop the violence and accept conditions than do the Palestinians.

Who broke the accords first?

[BowlingForPalestine]

19. Surely you're not serious.

So the settlement expansion didn't break Oslo?

I'm not justifying future "terrorist" actions because of past actions. I'm advocating for the reconciliation of past offensive with present conditions and actions as they are today. The GOI, IMO, is behaving no different than they have since 1948.

You want to find out who broke the accord "first?"

Try reading the entire history and frame it within that context and you will find the answer (you have to be willing to be honest, it may hurt).

[John BigBootay]

20. Do you believe that the PA should have honored Oslo? n/t

[BowlingForPalestine]

23. One word?

No.

I think Oslo just legitimized the occupation.

Besides the fact that the Palestinians still had to beg for 1/5 of their country which just so happened to be continuosly colonized by settlers on the US's and Israel's dime.

I'll say it again. NO.

[Resistance]

21. Israel stealing land doesn't have anything to do with it?

[Offshore Bush]

22. It's a chicken vs. the egg debate.

It's foolish to try to justify either side's actions from an absolute moral perspective. Each side thinks it's doing the right thing, and each side continues the violence to not appear weak in front of the other side. That's why we need an American president that will not pretend that one side is absolutely justified and the other is absolutely wrong.

[_Jumper_]

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