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PeaceInOurTimes Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:33 PM
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Boy set up as unwitting suicide bomber, say Israelis

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1079350202482&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968705899037

JERUSALEM (AP) — Troops at a West Bank checkpoint arrested a 12-year-old boy today as he unknowingly tried to smuggle a bomb out of the West Bank city of Nablus, the army said.

The commander of the army unit that caught the boy said soldiers' suspicions were aroused by the weight of a school bag he was carrying. When they examined the contents they found a bomb, laced with nuts and bolts to increase its killing power.

"It was a pretty serious bomb, between seven and 10 kilograms," the officer, identified only as Lt.-Col. Guy, told Israeli Army Radio. "It was ready for detonation, apparently with a mobile phone."

Guy said the boy was hired by an adult to carry the bag. He said it was common for terror groups to use innocent-looking children or women as couriers for arms and explosives.

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How could ANY decent persons allow this to happen?
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:36 PM
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1. Ask Mossad.
They know.

From Israeli Refusenik to Organizer
AWOL in New York

By ASAF SHTULL-TRAURING

. . .Many people are perhaps unaware of the fact that Israel, towards the end of the 1980s, actively helped in the establishment of the Hamas terrorist organization, hoping to create an Islamic opposition to the more moderate and secular PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization). Afraid of the PLO's demand for a state, Israel hoped that by creating a fundamentalist opposition to it, they could break its political monopoly in the occupied territories. More than a decade later, it seems that Israel has been very successful: The Hamas and extremist Islamic movements are gaining power and popularity in the Palestinian street. Israel's counter-terrorism is perhaps a continuation of this strategy of killing off the moderate voices by strengthening the Palestinian terrorist groups. This is a cycle of blood and death, where one side gains from the other side, all at the expense of Israeli and Palestinian lives.

more
<http://www.counterpunch.org/>
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:59 AM
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2. Actually
I've never seen anyone offer any real proof of Israeli support of Hamas, only innuendo.

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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 11:33 AM
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3. Then SEE THIS!
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:14 PM
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6. Again
A lot of innuendo... a friend of a friend type of stuff. This is type type of stuff that would find a home on Debka.

Again a lack of concrete details.

L-
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:35 PM
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4. Israeli support for Islamic lunatics
As a counterweight to the moderates in the PLO is well acknowledged and documented.

Endless citations to the Israeli press can be made, documenting such incidents as preventing conservative nationalist demonstrations in the West Bank, while allowing Islamic Jihad, Hamas etc to pass through checkpoints without interference. That's a minor facet of course - the rest is more more disgusting.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:54 PM
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5. I'm sure
the "incriminating details' that you've presented are hardly enough to swat at.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:29 PM
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7. I still don't see it
This wiki listing says quite a bit about what was going on within Hamas. Basically that the Hamas that Israel tolerated in the 70's was an apolitical institution, a charity if you will. The Hamas that exists today is not the same group in that they've turned to militantism and politics following the major shift/takeover in the mid 80's by Sheikh Yassin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Hamas was funded directly and indirectly during the 1970s and 1980s by various states including Saudi Arabia and Syria. The political/charitable arm of Hamas was officially registered and recognised within Israel at this time. Most experts agree that while Israel never supported Hamas directly, it did allow it to exist to oppose the secular Fatah movement of Yasser Arafat. The group abstained from politics throughout the 1970s and early 1980s, concentrating on moral and social issues such as attacks on corruption, administration of awqaf (trusts) and organizing community projects. Towards the mid-1980s, however, the movement underwent a takeover by the militant Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. For a while he preached immediate violence, and was arrested by Israel for that. However he was released when he promised to stop the preaching, and the movement was allowed to continue.

The acronym "Hamas" first appeared in 1987 in a leaflet accusing Israeli intelligence services of undermining the moral fibre of Palestinian youth as part of their recruitment of "collaborators". The use of force by Hamas appeared almost contemporaneously with the first Intifada, beginning with "punishments against collaborators", progressing to Israeli military targets and eventually terrorist actions targeted at civilians. As its methods have changed over the last thirty years, so has its rhetoric, now effectively claiming that Israeli civilians are "military targets" by virtue of living in a highly militarized state with conscription.

According to the semi-official Hamas biography "Truth and existence", Hamas evolved through four main stages:

1967-1976: Construction of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza Strip in the face of "oppressive" Israeli rule.
1976-1981: Geographical expansion through participation in professional associations in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and institution-building, notably al-Mujamma` al-islami, al-Jam`iyya al-islamiyya, and the Islamic University in Gaza.
1981-1987: Political influence through establishment of the mechanisms of action and preparation for armed struggle.
1987: Founding of Hamas as the combatant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and the launching of a continuing "jihad".

Since Hamas underwent a take-over in the mid-1980s (before that time being an organization with an extremely limited political scope), many experts might agree that Hamas's "real" history begins only from that time.
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