Pro-Palestinians: Try and answer this...

[John BigBootay]

If Israel just up and decided not to retaliate or carry out tactical actions against the PA leadership-- would the Palestinian terror actions stop???

If the PA stopped the terror bombings and requested a truce, would Israel stop THEIR actions?

You know the answer to these questions.

If you have the courage to admit the answer here, you are on the way toward knowing the vast, cavernous difference between the PA and Israel.

(I posted this Q on another thread but got no response, maybe it was buried and unseen).

[PsychoDad]

1. My answers...

1) I would hope so. But it would also probably require withdrawel from the OT

2) No

Bottom line... So much blood has been spilled that it is going to take more than just a unilateral cease fire on either side. There is going to have to be co-operation and trust. Those are going to be hard to come by in the best of times, Impossible under Sharon.

[forgethell]

15. Impossible under Arafat n/t

[legin]

2. No, No

to both questions.

what point are you trying to make ?

[legin]

8. I've sat around this forum for two years

pulling my hair out as numerous opportunities for de-escalation get ruined by a 'targeted assassination'.

What do you think we are, naive ?

[tinnypriv]

12. Hell

Even right-wing Israeli commentators often state that exact same view.

Interesting that their view (and yours) is largely banned in the United States from entering public discussion.

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[DarkPhenyx]

4. Also No and No.

It also would not stop Isreal from destroying Palistinian towns and villages, nor would it stop them from building settlements in the OT in direct violation of UN mandates.

Now, to ask the question again. What's your point?

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[number6]

32. I'm still here

;) some of the rules here I disagree with, but hey its not
my board.

[IrateCitizen]

6. I didn't realize that pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli were exclusive

From where I stand, I consider myself to be both. I equally denounce BOTH suicide bombings against Israeli civilians AND Israeli aggressions against innocent Palestinian civilians.

The answers to your questions are NO and NO, BTW. Both actions are the consequences of a discourse primarily controlled by extremists on both sides. Unfortunately, it is the vast majority of PEOPLE who simply want an end to the violence and oppression that are caught in the middle.

Perhaps if you bother to realize THIS, then YOU might come to realize that the situation there is not quite the simplistic arrangement that YOU make it out to be?

[Vladimir]

19. Thank you

very well said. As a humanist I too resent being bracketed - and I certainly resent the assumption that I can't oppose actions such as today's killing as well as condemning Hamas for what they are.

V

[redqueen]

29. How about just pro-peace?

In any conflict, there is a stronger party and a weaker party.

Now maybe it's just me, but I was raised to think that the onus of furthering the peace in any conflict is on the stronger party.

So, I'm not necessarily either pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. I'm pro-peace - for both Palestinians and Israelis. And in this situation, the larger share of the burden would seem to fall on Sharon's shoulders.

Not disagreeing with your answers, IC, just wanted to add a little depth to the 'pro-peace' equation.

[Metrix]

7. Israel has always needed to control their water supply.

They don't have a viable country otherwise. The Palestinians under occupation didn't just give up and move away as anticipated.

[heidler]

9. The question should be: If the U.S. quit furnishing Israel with weapons

and other preferential aid would the Hamas/Palestinians/Muslims become less inclined to terrorize the U.S. The next question: is what we're doing in regard to this aid too Israel worth it?

[tinnypriv]

10. "Retaliate"

I assume that you're familiar with the story about the chicken and the egg....

In any case, the "answer" to both of your (loaded) questions is "no".

The quotation marks are used deliberately, since the questions are formed in such a ridiculous way they cannot be answered empirically. They also happen to be largely irrelevant, as serious Israeli analysts and former government officials loudly say to anyone who will listen (not a huge circle, I'll admit).

[Heyo]

11. Okay....

"If Israel just up and decided not to retaliate or carry out tactical actions against the PA leadership-- would the Palestinian terror actions stop???"

Their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel, and "driving the Jews into the sea"... of course they would not stop until every last Israeli is dead or gone from the area...

"If the PA stopped the terror bombings and requested a truce, would Israel stop THEIR actions?"

Yes, they would... because unlike the PA, their goal is not the destruction of the Palestinian people, it's to stop their children from being blown apart...

To answer these questions you have to look at the reasons for the violence on both sides... why the PA does it, why Israel does it... you're right, the answer is crystal clear.

Heyo

[legin]

13. Bullshit nt

[legin]

14. What would happen if the Palestinians declared a truce

would be that Sharon would goad the Palestinians into breaking the truce, without Sharon, of course, being held responsible for the goading by the western media, as has been said before, happened several times.

[forgethell]

16. Why is it that

the only times that arafat is willing to declare a truce is when he is getting his ass handed to him and needs to regroup??

[DenverDem]

26. Second that bull***t.

The Likud agenda is no less extreem than Hamas'.

[Sandpiper]

18. And here's one for you to try and answer

If the PA agreed to permanently cease and desist from all bombings or acts of violence against Israel, would Israel then agree to a complete withdrawal from the West Bank?

No spin please. A simple yes or no will suffice.

[GabysPoppy]

21. I believe they would

What would you propose to be an appropriate reaction should terrorism not cease in your scenario?


p.s. - ooops, is not an answer

[tinnypriv]

25. Yeah

That explains why the current ruling party (and labor before them) has never agreed that there is no Israeli right to the West Bank.¹

The same jokers in power now have even gone further than that in the Knesset (calling on the government to "strengthen the hand" of the settlers).

Not even Yachad proposes a full withdrawal from the West Bank. That position is probably supported by a rousing 1% of the Jewish population.

This sort of stuff doesn't even reach the level of idiocy.

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1. Begin actually slighty modified that once, but immediately retracted it - without any mention of terror incidentially - the "right" is not based on that, as you well know.

[GabysPoppy]

28. Follow the bouncing ball

I answered a rhetorical question and posed one equally as rhetorical.

You are more than welcome to play along. Take whatever position you wish.

:shrug:

[John BigBootay]

27. I don't know. That's the best I can do--

That is a more complex question than the one I presented.

My question was based on a simple, moral decision, not a more complicated political one.

If I were the Israeli PM, I would probably consider ANY solution that would stop the violence, including ceding prime real-estate.

That's a VERY complicated question, though, and I suspect if it were undertaken would be frought with numerous complications.

[redqueen]

30. Simple, moral decisions

Isn't that how the right wing has convinced millions of middle and lower class Americans to vote for them? Just remember Abortion! or just remember Gays! Simple thought problems = fertile ground for those who would manipulate you.

[LoneStarLiberal]

20. I Agree, With One Additional Comment

Yassin was the Hamas figurehead. Hamas kills Israeli citizens. So the Israelis killed Yassin and his entourage.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with assassinating Yassin or any other Hamas/al-Aqsa figure. They kill Israelis, far more innocent ones than combatants.

When the Israelis kill Palestinians, they hit the Israelis. When the Palestinians kill Israelis, doesn't make brutal sense that the Israelis will retaliate? Of course.

You are correct, the differences between the Israelis and Palestinian Authority are very important.

So are their similarities, in my opinion.

The main similarity that is important is that neither side wants peace right now; both sides want victory yet are unwilling and unable to attain it. The Israeli government doesn't want peace (they refuse to curtail fundamentalist squatter activities in the West Bank) but refuses to pay the full price of victory (a return to the full military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip). The Palestinian Authority doesn't want peace (Arafat refuses to take even trivial steps toward consistent security) and is incapable of ever winning victory (the removal of all Jews from Palestine and the destruction of the state of Israel). Yet both sides continue to believe that they can achieve victory.

Just one more data point for us to use in realizing that religious fundamentalists are a stain in the shorts of civilization and need to be eliminated.

[John BigBootay]

22. I don't agree with the majority here-- that's obvious

I think the terrorists would NOT stop their bombings if Israel asked for a truce.

And I think Israel WOULD stop their tactical strikes against Palestinian leadership IF the PA asked for a truce- AND KEPT TO IT.

Look at the recent historical timeline

http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm

and you will see that Israel REACTS to terror, while Hamas, et. al., create it, over and over again. The reason for this seems to be the fact that the several Palestinian factions can never apparently agree on when to stop the violence.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. They've been terrorizing each other for over 50 years.

But only one side gets the blame?

[redqueen]

24. Well,

this country's been circling the drain for 50 years, and only one side gets the blame here, as well.

Interesting, that.

[number6]

31. ok ...

"If Israel just up and decided not to retaliate or carry out tactical actions against the PA leadership-- would the Palestinian terror actions stop ?" thot they were taking actions against Hamas, Hezbolla,
Islamic Jihad , Al Aqsau ...are all Palestinians terrorists ?
well taking actions against the PA would really be ineffective
wouldn't it ? leaving out Hamas Hezbolla ect...

If the PA stopped the terror bombings and requested a truce, would Israel stop THEIR actions? no, or if Hezbolla or Hamas did, still no
they'd continue to steal land ...

"You know the answer to these questions." yea I do

"If you have the courage to admit the answer here, you are on the way toward knowing the vast, cavernous difference between the PA and Israel." yea whats that big difference, PA doesn't have jets
and attack helicopters to kill people with ..

[IndianaGreen]

33. Build Sharon's wall on the Green Line, and withdraw from...

Gaza, West Bank, Golan, and East Jerusalem.

If Sharon is telling the truth that the wall is for security, you will have security without occupation and with two states.

On the other hand, Sharon's wall may have less to do with security and more to do as a land and water resources grab.

[undergroundrailroad]

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