Revenge attacks feared on hospitals, schools, skyscrapers, VIPs

[Scurrilous]

Military sources: "Israel deliberately entered new era in struggle with terrorists," who may now escalate attacks

http://www.maarivenglish.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=5058

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"The Security establishment yesterday (Monday) held a series of consultations to assess the shape of things to come after the IDF's killing of Hamas leader Ahmad Yasin (a process one might have expected to have begun before the operation was ordered).

Security agencies are gearing up for the eventuality that Hamas and possibly foreign Islamic organizations as well may attempt to perpetrate mass murders of Israelis, going beyond the "ordinary attacks" they havev so far carried out. In addition, more "spontaneous" attacks are expected, like the knifiung of three bus passengers and the axe attack on passersby in Ramat Gan yesterday.

Due to the assessment that a gigantic and extended wave of terrorism is about to erupt, top alert was declared yesterday not only in Israel itself but at Israeli missions and Jewish institutions overseas. As leading personalities of Israel's political and security establishment may also now be targeted by terrorists, they have been put under heightened guard as well."

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" The police district commands have been instructed to maintain a high-profile presence at such crowded locations as downtown centers, shopping malls, marketplaces, sports stadiums and entertainment areas. Thousands of policemen and women have already been deployed to main transport routes and city streets."

[Muddleoftheroad]

1. I love this

The world wanted Israel to continue with the status quo of allowing this butchering madman Yassin to continue to live. But now they took him out, I see no cricism of the other Palestinian madmen planning attacks virtually everywhere in Israel.

[bluesoul]

2. A nearly blind man on a wheel chair

is a butcher? LOL

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Disabled activists

You know, if this were another thread and people were saying a nearly blind man in a wheelchair couldn't do anything, they would be accused of not being understanding of how people can overcome such handicaps.

But since he is a terrorist leader, suddenly he's weak.

Yeah right.

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[GabysPoppy]

5. Without a list of names in front of me

Start with the people Arafat has either tossed from his cabinet and government or has had killed.

I think one of them may have complained about Suja's shopping habits, but I could be wrong.

[bluesoul]

6. Is

Kurei a terrorist?

[Gimel]

11. The simple explanation

based on pure assumptions, are definitely challenged in life. Occam's razor when applied to sense deprivation is simply not valid. One devoted follower can accomplish many tasks. What do you think tens of devoted followers might carry out? The running the terrorist organization from inside Israeli prison was accomplished. Do you think that sounds beyond the realm of possibility? You've got to be brainwashed to believe that.

[bluesoul]

13. I am

brainwashed? Because I don't share your views? LOL

[Gimel]

16. You can have your own views

I don't object, as long as you are not attacking me. But to believe that blind or crippled people can have no power is naive.

[JohnLocke]

58. Yes, he is.

[bluesoul]

59. So is Sharon

then...

[Walt Starr]

7. I'd criticize them, but they are doing nothing different from Israel

Morally, Israel and Hamas are on equal terms after Israel's latest murder, IMO.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. You need a morality check it seems

Killing terrorists vs. killing innocents. Those two are not even vaguely the same.

[bluesoul]

9. You're the one

that needs to get out of his black-white world where every Palestinian that doesn't like being occupied and harrassed by the IDF is a "terrorist" and those supporting them are "terrorist sympathizers"...

Israel kills plenty of innocents. 3 times more the the Palestinians do...

[Walt Starr]

10. "Collateral damage"

Same difference.

The Palestinian freedom fighters have collateral damage like every other army.

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. Who are these "Palestinian freedom fighters"

I know of NO group who meets that definition.

The Palestinian TERROR groups deliberately target civilians. Collateral damage in their case is usually anyone else who happens to be near lots of civilian Israelis -- like the Palestinians.

[Walt Starr]

17. Oh, so you considered Washington and his boys "Terrorists"?

By your definition, they were.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Both sides are morally wrong. Israel moreso because they are supposed to be a legitimate nation yet they conduct themselves as any other terrorist.

I don't buy it Muddle. If civilian casualties caused by the IDF are "collateral damage" then so is any civilian killed by a suicide bomber's actions.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. Nice avoidance

So, care to answer the question?

[Walt Starr]

28. I am unable to answer the question

due to limitations on my ability to express my opinions via the rules of this forum.

[Muddleoftheroad]

31. LOL

[Walt Starr]

33. I can't even tell you weher I can express my opinion to you

due to the limitations of my ability to transmit that information via the rules of this forum.

[Muddleoftheroad]

36. You're killing me with this

It's quite funny.

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[Walt Starr]

38. It's not even my views about Sharon that are bannable

PM me and we can take it offline.

[Gimel]

14. His life sentence

was for killing four Palestinians on suspicion of having collaborated with Israel. Is this the blind paraplegic you are claiming is helpless? Hamas, Mr. Starr, raises Palestinian youths to be martyrs. Hamas has a psychological hold over the Palestinian people. It is indeed evil.

[bluesoul]

15. Sharon is also evil. He has

psychological hold over the Israelis. Plus he is a war criminal (Sabra and shatila) When will he be brought before justice or like Yassin simply liquidated?

[Gimel]

19. Your judgment

is not that of a court of law. Propaganda is not the law, at least I hope not.

[bluesoul]

21. I could say the same (propaganda)

for your claims, just that it's Israeli propaganda against any Palestinian not bowing to Sharon and selling out his people and his land...

Vice versa

[Walt Starr]

18. I see Israel as even more evil

Israel conducts the exact same crap.

Israel is absolutely no different, they just use propogandistic terminology to describe their terrorist acts.

[Gimel]

22. Terminology

you'll have to be more specific. Also, are you sure that what you are quoting is really "Israel"?


Also, please backup those wild statements with facts.

[Walt Starr]

25. Read any statement by Sharon

Propogandistic terminology with words like "collateral damage".

See, if a suicide bomber gets on a bus with a single military person and blows up, that was a legitimate military action with collateral damage.

Interesting how words can change the outlook on a criminal act by any organization, isn't it?

[Gimel]

32. Targeted killings

The IDF targeted killings are not for the common foot soldier or military cook. They are only reserved for known leaders of terrorist organizations who plan and initiate attacks against innocent people. Many buses without a single military person aboard have been blown to pieces. The attackers even disguise themselves as Jewish religious persons in order to hide among worshipers.

Sorry, your claim doesn't hold water. Collateral damage is when there are injuries and deaths that were entirely unintentional and unsought after. Loading a bomb with nails and shrapnel to cause internal injuries to women and children is totally abhorrent.

[Walt Starr]

35. Samne shit, different propogandist

:eyes:

[Gimel]

55. Is my information incorrect?

Are you claiming that it doesn't happen that women and children are targeted with deadly bombing techniques that cause injuries that are unbelievable in the extent of suffering inflicted?

Or are you saying that both sides use the same methods to inflict the same injuries? Unfortunately, statistics can't relate to these facts.

[GabysPoppy]

20. Let's not also forget

He was the one who approved of women becoming suicide bombers.

I don't think that is what Gloria Steinham is talking about when she wants equal pay for women doing the same task as a man.

[Walt Starr]

23. Suicide military missions have been used throughout history

It is a legitimate military strategy. There has not been a major war in hoistory where suicide missions were not used, and the United States has used them to great effect.

Sorry, but I have to see this thing as a war and see strategies devised by both sides.

[Muddleoftheroad]

27. Such missions are used to target MILITARY installations

The Palestinian terrorists use them to kill civilians.

There is no comparison except to say that there is no comparison.

[Walt Starr]

29. "Collateral damage"

"Military personnel were targeted, unfortunately the bomb was dropped on a wedding party."

Same shit, different propogandist.

[Muddleoftheroad]

34. Nope not at all

If a murderer kills someone in the inner city -- like Southeast D.C. where I used to live -- he's a murderer. If they cops kill someone why trying to take him down, they are not guilty of murder.

The two are not equal.

[Walt Starr]

39. If a soldier kills a civilian while conducting military operations

it's collateral damage.

Same shit, different propogandist.

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. And the difference is

Your target. Soldiers target militaries. Terrorist TRY to kill that civilian.

As different as night and day.

[Walt Starr]

42. Same shit, different propogandist

YOU say the "terrorist" is targeting civilians.

I say Israel targets civilians too.

[Muddleoftheroad]

45. LOL

Even most of the pro-Pal folks complain how Israel sometimes kills civilians while targeting TERRORISTS.

Somehow you know more than even your allies?

[Walt Starr]

47. Oh yeah, bulldozers crushing human beings in their homes

is REALLY targeting "terrorists".

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[GabysPoppy]

41. So the use of women as suicide bombers

meets with your approval?

[Walt Starr]

43. I refuse to answer that question

under the guidlines of this forum.

[Muddleoftheroad]

46. You appear to be running into this a lot today, Walt

How can you not answer that question without violating rules? Yes or no?

It reminds me of people taking the 5th. (Taking, not drinking one, which we could all use right now.)

[GabysPoppy]

54. Thank you

You just did

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[bluesoul]

48. Does enlisting women in IDF and teenagers

sending them to occupy foreign land and exposing them to attack there where Israel has no right to be meet with YOUR approval GP?

[Muddleoftheroad]

50. I am for equal opportunity for women in all legal employment

As should all members of DU be.

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[Gimel]

26. Mothers of young children

He approved the first mother, a woman with 2 young children (under age of 5) to become a suicide attacker.

[Walt Starr]

30. Fathers of children have been sent on suicide missions by the U.S.

Same shit, different organization.

[GabysPoppy]

44. And of course

you are willing and able to cite this charge.

[Walt Starr]

49. U.S. Army Rangers, June 4, 1944

A suicide mission against an artillery emplacement on top of cliffs in Normandy.

[Muddleoftheroad]

52. Thanks, a great example

Of using militaries against militaries.

Now, we have hundreds of OPPOSITE examples with the Palestinian terror network. But hey, who's counting...

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

60. who's 'we'

?

[Muddleoftheroad]

61. We are the world

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

64. what are you afraid of?

the vail has been of for some time now...

'we' indeed

[GabysPoppy]

56. I guess in your opinion

WW 2 was an illegal war and something the US shouldn't have been involved in.

:shrug:

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[Muddleoftheroad]

63. Walt was the one who brought up a military attack

on a military emplacement. He appears to have some issue with it.

[Gimel]

57. The dead soldiers were mothers

of young children and used themselves as bombs to destroy the enemy?

[Gimel]

53. Do you mean

space missions? Bridge on the River Kwai aside, men with families were never selected for any mission that was suicidal. My father was a US soldier in WWII. He was in the Signal Corps in the tank division in Germany. He had a wife and son back home. Was it dangerous? Yes. He could have been killed. Was it suicidal. No. If he had died, he would not have lived to be the father of three more children and grandfather of 7 and great-grandfather of 3.