UN Security Council to meet on Yassin assassination

[Gimel]

The United Nations Security Council is to convene at 3 P.M. EST (10 P.M. Israel time) on Tuesday evening, to discuss the assassination of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in Gaza City on Monday morning.

During the debate, the members of the council will determine the UN response to the killing by Israel, although any resolution is subject to a veto by the United States or one of the other permanent members of the council.

The debate will take place after the U.S. foiled an initiative by Algeria to bypass any discussion and move straight to the formulation of a declaration on the assassination. The U.S. instead prevented the release of such a statement, a move that brought about Tuesday's discussion.

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[pocoloco]

1. Why Bother????

[Gimel]

2. I wondered that

myself. I guess it's to condemn Israel for the assassination. What else?

[JohnLocke]

3. Gasp! Israel killed a terrorist! Gotta ask the entire Arab League's opinion!

[bluesoul]

4. When is

Sharon the terrorist going to be taken care of?

[Gimel]

5. You are cute

That Orwellean ideology is all the rage.

[tinnypriv]

6. He's actually an admitted terrorist

No surprise - he's proud of it.

In case you're unaware (I doubt it), look at his comments about Qibya, where he gloats about carrying out his orders to "cause the maximum number of Arab casualties" while blowing up "as many buildings as possible".

That's basically Lidice - i.e. the Nazis. And I don't use that comparison lightly (it isn't actually mine - it's a quote from the Jewish American press).

Hence, perhaps worse than terrorism, and this is one tiny speck in his blood-splattered career (lauded in the official Tzanhanim history by the way).

[number6]

9. He is, in my opinion..

..the Butcher of (Sabra and Shatila)

[tinnypriv]

14. Well

He didn't actually do it, so that's unfair. Moreover, he did worse than that - the bombing of Beirut.

As regards Sabra and Shatila, obviously he bears major responsibility, but then so does a lot of the army and GOI leadership at the time (some in power now, some in power recently).

The most charitable (and accurate) thing you can say is that Sharon was the man who put a snake in the bed of the Palestinian child. That's bad enough, so there is no need to say he is the snake, as regards that specific event.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

11. Great post, but...

*** No surprise - he's proud of it.

In case you're unaware (I doubt it), look at his comments about Qibya, where he gloats about carrying out his orders to "cause the maximum number of Arab casualties" while blowing up "as many buildings as possible".

That's basically Lidice - i.e. the Nazis. And I don't use that comparison lightly (it isn't actually mine - it's a quote from the Jewish American press). ***

I'm counting the minutes before your post is censored :(

[Gimel]

12. Terrorists

I know that most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian, and even those who claim to be not on one side or the other, claim that the IDF is a terrorist organization. The objective at war is not to save the enemy. While that may be your concern and you mostly object it seems to a comment you read second hand on some Islamic site, purported to be from the mouth of Ariel Sharon, I have not seen that particular comment. Qibya is more important than 600 Israelis killed and thousand wounded in terrorist attacks inside Israel. That is the revenge for his comment. (or perhaps your calloused response to it).

[tinnypriv]

15. Well

Those exact words are from Sharon himself, in Hebrew, taken from a documentary about the Arab-Israeli conflict.

If you would like the audio and video transcript, it can be provided to you.

Needless to say, (as usual) my quotations were accurate, and your insinuation about the source of them is utterly ridiculous.

[Gimel]

16. Is this it?

"cause the maximum number of Arab casualties" while blowing up "as many buildings as possible".

That was said about,(no couldn't have been "gloating after the fact", it doesn't fit grammatically)1953 in Qibya or it's Sharon (supposedly) retelling you the events in Qibya for the historical record (even got it on tape). Wery, wery damaging.

The "project" of Palestinian University students to record "oral history" is hardly an acceptable source.

[tinnypriv]

18. One final point

Since this line of argument is pointless -due to the fact that I'm right and you seem to have no idea about the facts- I will state one more thing:

The interview was done in conjunction with Channel 2 Israel.

Though that should be enough to demolish your most recent post, I will repeat a couple of things for the record:

1. The words are quoted entirely accurately.
2. His statement is no surprise, because Sharon is proud of his terrorist record.

Like I said, if you want a copy of the Hebrew audio, you can check it yourself. If not, please cease the ridiculousness.

[GabysPoppy]

20. If you say it's right

Nobody should question you. I will make a memo of that just in case I forget.

Thanks

[tinnypriv]

38. No problem

Anything else I can do for you, don't hesitate to ask.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. I didn't know the UN was made exclusively of Arab League nations (nt)

[russian33]

7. What number is this?

How many resolutions have been passed condemning Israel for one thing or another? What good does it do?

[SOS]

10. Crystal ball says

14-1 in favor, veto by US.
The 14-1 (US veto) votes on Israeli policy are so predictable, they're boring.
Move to General Assembly for vote: 175-2.

:boring:

[Quetzal]

13. Don't forget the

Federated States of Micronesia. So that would be 174-3.

[Gimel]

17. No resolution

There was no agreement, and no resolution was passed or even proposed. Truth is stronger than lies.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

19. now that the Security Council has finished playing with themselves...

maybe the General Assembly can go check in on the ethnic cleansing in Sudan, maybe even do something really useful, like pass a resolution, but, more likely, if it does not involve Israel, they'll just pass some gas...

[dudeness]

21. lets all face it..

the rule of law no longer applies..its the survival of the fittest or should I say the best armed..

[Chicago Democrat]

22. Its so sad. I have a dream about Bill Clinton coming back!

Kerry has been really quiet about everything in this subject; I have hope. Please please please please, bring back Bill Clinton. Bring back Israeli Labor Party. I know the second is a dream.

At least Kerry can give Bill the power! Bill loves this topic, I trust Bill on it. I do not trust Bush or Sharon anymore. Kerry should make Bill head of this project.

God bless America, Israel and Palestine....in peaceful coexistance under the rule of law and Democracy!

[legin]

23. There is one good thing that has come out

of this Yassin murder, at least israel looks exactly like it is to the world. My mum usually takes slight issue with me over my support for the Palestinians but she was fairly appalled when she found out that Yassin was in a wheel-chair.

I'm looking foward to the next time we get this pius shit "well you know of course that israel is the only 'democracy' in the Middle East."

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. It wasn't murder

To say it was is much like calling a cow a bull. It doesn't make it so and it just points to the eyesight of the person making the comment.

I am sick of hearing how Yassin was wheelchair bound, like that made any difference when the fucker started Hamas.

[legin]

25. You may be sick of hearing how Yassin was wheelchair bound

but unfortunaltly for you it's how the rest of the world looks at it.

Me and my mum have had a few minor arguments about my views on things, but this little adventure by israel should make things a little smoother.

I don't know how you think you are doing israel any favours by supporting it in its desperate attempt to throw itself off a cliff, but then for you it's probably a party political thing.

[Muddleoftheroad]

26. Then the rest of the world is easily deceived

He was a murderer in his wheelchair when he founded Hamas and he was a murderer in his wheelchair till the day he died.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "it's probably a party political thing." My support of Israel has little to do with party and everything to do with doing the right thing.

[legin]

27. Doing the right thing

has very little to do with pissing off a large segement of the population of the planet, even if they are idiots, which would still make them more intelligent then Sharon and his gang.

"The object of war is peace not victory", is a standard military science saying, so how is israel ever going to be at peace if everybody hates their guts. They may stomp on the Palestinians successfully but then they got the rest of the planet to worry about.

The people running israel are a bunch of political idiots.

[Muddleoftheroad]

28. Being right does not always mean being popular

Being right in America for hundreds of years meant supporting slavery or later tolerating Jim Crow.

Being right is not always fashionable.

You make an assumption that Israel can make peace. That assumption is false. It can only make the peace of surrender without a willing partner in peace. It has none such.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

29. Jim Crow

My support of Israel has little to do with party and everything to do with doing the right thing.

Being right in America for hundreds of years meant supporting slavery or later tolerating Jim Crow.

Very accurate analogy with Israel's racist apartheid system there Muddle, but it doesn't help your case. Try "edit".

[Muddleoftheroad]

30. That would be a problem if the word apartheid applied. It doesn't.

It's not racist to have Irish wanting to be in Ireland or ethnic Japanese wanting to have their own nation. Nor is it racist for Palestinians to want their own nation.

Israel is a pluralistic state -- much more so than its neighbors who decry its status.

Buzzzzz. You lose. Try again.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

31. Israel is pluralistic?

Can a non-jew own land in Tel Aviv?

A tiny percentage of Blacks in apartheid South Africa were citizens and could vote. The percentage of muslim Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship is about the same. The other 6.7 million have no rights as you well know.

It's not racist to have Irish wanting to be in Ireland
LOL. You're a Real IRA supporter now? It WOULD be racist if emigrant Irish were to kill, maim and dispossess their distant cousins already living there.

Oh and thanks for the Jim Crow analogy. It was very revealing.
"Buzzzzz. You lose. Try again."

[Muddleoftheroad]

32. Yep

You see this falsehood in lots of forms. "I learned that Israel doesn't allow non-Jews to own land on 90% of the country." which, technically, IS true. However it's also true to say "I learned that Israel doesn't allow Jews to own land on 90% of the country."

Private land ownership in Israel is virtually non-existant. Almost all of the land is owned by the government and is leased out. And, yes, it is leased out to Jews and Non-Jews. You can see how this is a particularly manipulative statement.

Palestinians who are citizens of Israel have the vote. Palestinians who are not citizens do not have the vote, much in the way that I can't vote in Australia and neither of us can vote in Botswana.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

33. Land

Almost all of the land is owned by the government and is leased out.

I know.

And, yes, it is leased out to Jews and Non-Jews.

<sigh> Manipulative tokenism. Some land in Apartheid South Africa was reserved for Africans too.
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch05.htm

Palestinians who are citizens of Israel have the vote. Palestinians who are not citizens do not have the vote.

All Palestinians had full rights as citizens of the British Mandate. Israel has stripped all but a token few of land and rights and caged them in concrete ghettos behind razor wire. Your analogy with Botswana is an absurd attempt to defend the indefensible.

[Muddleoftheroad]

34. Tokenism?

Nope, more like socialism. Something elsewhere on DU quite well received.

In case you hadn't noticed, the world has moved on past the British Mandate. There was that UN vote and then a whole bunch of Arab-induced wars.

Most Palestinians do not live in Israel. Hell, even they would admit that. Since they don't live in Israel, they don't get to vote there.

Perhaps, if the Palestinians actually fought terror, they could get a state of their own.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

35. Socialism

Socialism is supposed to benefit everyone, not just the ethnic group that runs the government. If you think the Jewish Land Council was set up to lease land to Muslims you need to do more research.

Most Palestinians do not live in Israel.

No. They are under a military occupation by Israel. The Jewish colonists don't live inside Israel either, but they vote in it's elections.

a state of their own.

A few disconnected scraps of desert is not a state. Ariel Sharon proudly describes the idea as the "Bantustan" plan. Rather revealing, since that is what South Africa called it's African reservations.

[Muddleoftheroad]

36. More on Socialism

Actually, socialism is supposed to benefit your citizens, not everyone. Israeli socialism does benefit its citizens, including the one million non-Jews.

Who are these "Jewish colonists" you speak of?

Actually, I would say the Palestinians need a confederation of two linked states -- one in Gaza and one in the West Bank. But that is up to them whenever their state is created.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

37. Citizenship

socialism is supposed to benefit your citizens

Yes, and 6.7 million Palestinians have been deprived of citizenship by Israel. That is why they don't benefit. And the token few who have citizenship are almost never allowed to lease land, as you'd know if you read my link.

Who are these "Jewish colonists" you speak of?

They like to be called "settlers". They can be found occupying land in the West Bank and Gaza strip.

Palestinians need a confederation of two linked states

Ariel Sharon's wall seals in whole cities, and 70% of water in the West Bank is diverted for the use of Jewish colonists.

No Palestinian state is possible without farmland and water, something Ariel Sharon neglected to address. Odd, that.

[Muddleoftheroad]

39. 6 billion deprived of citizenship

Because only 6 million Israelis have citizenship, 6 billion people should be up in arms. Personally, I'm going to demand my Indonesian citizenship today. Not that I qualify, but that doesn't seem to matter.

Oh, so you don't like the settlers. What a shock.

The Peace Fence is an attempt to separate Israel from those who deliberately bomb its civilians.

All the other issues -- land, water, air rights, travel, etc. -- need to be hashed in a peace agreement, but that means the Palestinians need to choose peace and stop terror.

[cloudSeven]

41. yassin deserved what he received and more

terrorist leaders deserve nothing more than elimination. Glad he is gone and if hamas continues their terror then they must die too.

[cloudSeven]

40. hamas deserves no UN council

hamas and their kind are terrorists and nothing more. It is a disgrace for the UN to even recognize hamas as human.